Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Melissa Venema


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. -- Cirt (talk) 19:59, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Melissa Venema

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Dutch trumpeter. Author himself admits: "I've done my best to look in English sources and found absolutely nothing that would qualify as a reliable source." &mdash; RHaworth 09:08, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak keep Melissa Venema is a young artist, however, her achievements were noted by multiple reliable sources. She has performed in South Africa, USA, Europe, and collaborated with artists such as André Rieu. You can find a lot of sources (in English and Dutch) here or in the G-News archives. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 12:50, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - as creator. While Wikipedia-quality reliable sources were sparse, there were numerous lower-quality sources citing the awards she's won and performances that she's noted for. Easily the most reliable English source of information is her own web site, which is allowable (if undesirable) according to WP:NPF. As Vejvančický mentioned, there are also numerous Dutch sources on her website but not speaking Dutch or having any familiarity with Dutch publications, I was in no position to judge their reliability. I was also unfamiliar with Google News until today, but it looks like there might be some mentions of her in reliable sources there (update: unfortunately, I found nothing I thought would be helpful for the article). Looking at the information available from these various sources, I believe she fulfils multiple criteria of WP:MUSICBIO, including 2, 5, and 9. If the Dutch articles displayed on her website are considered reliable sources, then she clearly fits criteria 1 as well. I'll be the first to say, the article needs more work, but I believe she readily fulfils the notability requirements and my hope was that by putting a stub there and marking it as such, I would attract people who are better at content creation than I am. – RobinHood70 talk 21:40, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  — -- Cirt (talk) 17:13, 3 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:17, 6 June 2011 (UTC)




 * Keep English sources aren't required. Cloveapple (talk) 04:32, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * keep as cloveapple notes, sources do not have to be in English to be WP:RS — Preceding unsigned comment added by HominidMachinae (talk • contribs) 06:11, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Obviously there may be some persons looking for this entry, English sources or not. Jewishprincess (talk) 21:38, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.