Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Melt sandwich


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. no true consensus, as it was essentially tied for keep and merge. There's no reason relevant bits cannot be merged with a redirect put in place without another AFD. Nja 247 14:55, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Melt sandwich

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This article is overly broad, according to the article every sandwich served hot with melted cheese is a melt sandwich - as is shown in the see also section. One contributor is trying to create a new category of sandwich that doesn't exist. The article was originally about the tuna melt, which is covered in the tuna sandwich article, but was converted to this earnest but contrived and uncited (possibly uncitable) article. Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 04:23, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 11:17, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

As a side note, the difference in meaning between toasted sandwiches in the United States as compared to the United Kingdom adds another bit of complexity in writing good definitions. &mdash; VulcanOfWalden (talk) 01:56, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 13:00, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Mmmmm sandwich. Delete as per the nom-thingy. Crafty (talk) 13:42, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * This really is a legit category of sandwich. A grilled cheese with something else added in gives you a patty melt, a tuna melt, a Reuben.  But is it an encyclopedic subject?  Maybe a "List of melt sandwiches" would be better, in which case, don't forget the Reuben!  Mmmmmm, Reuben sandwich.  ReverendWayne (talk) 14:07, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Valid sandwich. Popular term. Article could use a bit of sauce but I don't see why we shouldn't have one. • Anakin (talk) 16:24, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge to sandwich. Even if it is a popular term and a legitimate sandwich category, I don't see anything to indicate it warrants its own page, rather than a mention or subsection on the sandwich article. —  Hunter  Kahn  ( c )  16:51, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge - Man that looks good. It's a likely search term, thus it would require a redirect and no need to delete the page (also, might be good to preserve the history of a legit subject that isn't notable by itself).   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  19:01, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep per "NOM NOM NOM" Mmmm, yummy. Article has potential to be expanded with sources, history of the melt sandwich and other encyclopedic information. -- Bsay  USD   [Talk] π [contribs]  20:29, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Eat and then Merge to Sandwich Grilled cheese sandwich, where it can incubate and be expanded and supported. Perhaps eventually there will be enough melt sandwich-specific information to warrant its own article, but definitely not now. —Scheinwerfermann T&middot;C 20:57, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Use some common sense.  Melt sandwiches are very well known, if anything, the article could be retitled but it certainly should not be deleted.  68.244.159.15 (talk) 15:09, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to sandwich, if someone wants to come along at a later date and write an article which is actually reliably sourced and not just personal opinion, they're more than welcome to do so. --Stormie (talk) 05:07, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge to sandwich, create a section & redirect (Then eat j/k). --TitanOne (talk) 06:35, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The merger opinions above don't seem adequately researched. ReverendWayne hasn't noticed that we already have Reuben sandwich, for example.  This content describes a concept that appears identical to what is described at cheese sandwich, which seems to be the correct merger target, especially since that's where grilled cheese sandwich points.  Sources agree.  "What's a tuna melt but  an open-faced grilled cheese [sandwich]?" asks ISBN 9780696226861 pp. 69.  "You can glob a few spoons of [tuna salad] onto a piece of toast, add a slice of your cheese on top and broil it in the oven until the cheese melts.  That would be a tuna melt.", says ISBN 9781419622427, pp. 122. Uncle G (talk) 00:16, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well spotted. I'm keeping my merge !vote, but changing my target to cheese sandwich. —Scheinwerfermann T&middot;C 00:59, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment &mdash; Part of what kicked off the nomination of this article for AFD was a merger discussion for the article patty melt that took place in Talk:Cheeseburger. My observation there was that melt sandwich made a better merger target for patty melt than does cheeseburger because it can better handle melt sandwich variants that don't include hamburger patties, such as tuna melts.  As Jeremy has noted, the melt sandwich article started out an article on tuna melts before it was broadened to handle melt sandwiches as a class.  Pace Jeremy's opinion above, melts are indeed a class of sandwiches, which are often offered in diner and cafe style restaurants.  Recipes for a Three-Cheese Melt as well as a Tuna Melt appear in the Culinary Institute of America's The New Professional Chef  as grilled sandwiches.  Beyond tuna and patty melts, it's easy to find melts of turkey, chicken and ham, chicken and bacon, ham and cheese, spinach,, and the like. &mdash; VulcanOfWalden (talk) 23:49, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply - Unfortunately recipes do not connote notability - almost every food that is made has a recipe and is published somewhere however not all foodstuffs have articles about them. When dealing with foodstuffs you need more than a published recipe to establish notability; I did a search on the subject and only found recipes, no articles about them. That is my reason for nominating it for an AfD/merge - there is nothing that establishes notability. You can find dozens, even hundreds, of articles about cheeseburgers, but not about melts. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 01:15, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * When a dish makes its way into cookbooks, restaurant menus (sometimes under their own section, such as at Waffle House), and restaurant reviews, it is indeed notable. Given the consistency in naming, it's easy to see the pattern and write a basic description, though the variability in the dish &mdash; some are toasted rather than grilled, some are open faced sandwiches rather than closed, some use rolls rather than slices of bread &mdash; does require a bit of care in writing a comprehensive one.  Melts are a rather quotidian dish, lacking the fun legends and tall tales that surround many other culinary creations, but they are rather widespread.
 * Keep well known class of food. Yes, it includes quite a lot of specific ones, but I do not see how that affects the notability. Because a tuna melt is a derivative of a simpler food does not make the other version less notable. Following this logic gives a single article on "cooked food"DGG (talk) 05:08, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Reductio ad absurdum ("…a single article on "cooked food") is not a particularly sturdy platform on which to stand when debating. —Scheinwerfermann T&middot;C 14:16, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

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