Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Members of Bydgoszcz City Council


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The result was delete all except for those withdrawn (and removed from the nomination). ansh 666 08:46, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Members of Bydgoszcz City Council

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Pure boilerplate articles about almost every single person who served between 2006 and 2010 on the city council in Bydgoszcz, each only very slightly more substantive than "subject is a person who exists". All but one of these is referenced exclusively to a single primary source list of all the city councillors on the city council's own self-published website, and the only one with any more sourcing than that, Anna Zofia Mackiewicz, only adds routine tables of election results from her non-winning candidacies for higher offices (which is not a notability claim either.) City councillors only receive a presumption of notability under WP:NPOL #2 if they serve in a major, internationally prominent global city on the order of Toronto, New York City, London or Berlin — in cities outside that class, such as Bydgoszcz, a city councillor needs to be reliably sourced as the subject of enough reliable source coverage to be deemed significantly more notable than the norm compared to most other city councillors. But none of these are, and none of them has seen any substantive improvement in the entire decade since they were first created. Bearcat (talk) 04:48, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 05:07, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Poland-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 05:07, 26 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete all members of a city council of this size are not default notable. Even with larger cities I would argue we would need non-routine coverage, which we clearly lack in any of these cases.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:40, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
 * We should probably keep Piotr Marek Król (Member of Sejm), Zbigniew Antoni Fronczek (Officer of the Order of Polonia Restituta) and Edward Ignacy Hartwich (vice-marshal of the Kuyavian-Pomeranian Voivodeship). --Teukros (talk) 16:49, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Fine on Krol and Fronczek — none of that content had actually been added to the articles prior to you adding them today, even though Krol was apparently elected to the Sejm in 2011 — so I'm going to withdraw those now. But I'm less clear on whether being a vice-marshal of a voivodeship is enough to pass WP:NPOL or not: does that title make him the deputy voivode, or is it more of a bureaucratic than legislative position? I can't find an article which clarifies exactly what that role actually is. Bearcat (talk) 18:20, 27 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete all (with the exception of any withdrawn by the nominator) per John Pack Lambert. --Enos733 (talk) 23:39, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete all except those withdrawn as noted plus see further comments on two more (I'd suggest withdrawing one more person). Also a good check is to see whether they have articles on Polish Wikipedia (which is more inclusive). If not, it is a big red flag. :Further comments:
 * Edward Hartwich - I don't think voviodeship vice-marshals are notable, and I've nominated him for AfD on pl wiki. I support his deletion.
 * Dorota Jakuta - recipient of the Golden Cross of Merit (Poland). Usually seen as auto-notable on pl wiki, I am not so sure, but should not be a part of a mass nom, at least.
 * --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:12, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Are you able to clarify what exactly the role of vice-marshal is in a voivodeship? It's possible that it might be a sufficiently important role to clear WP:NPOL even if you don't think it should be, but we can't really determine that without knowing what it is. And I'm willing to withdraw Jakuta if that statement (and a source for it) is actually added to the article, but not if it's just asserted in the discussion without evidence. Bearcat (talk) 20:34, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: To discuss possible withdrawals / exceptions.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   10:14, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I seriously doubt a full WP:BEFORE has been undertaken, so this is what I'm trying to fill in in this set of extremely long comments. I could find no credible sources in Google News Archive, and here are the searches I have done for reference:, , , , , , , , , , , , (result is entirely unrelated), , , , , , , , , , , , , and  (I missed some due to a bad computer, but never mind). I'll do some more when I get home. J947 Public (talk) 03:10, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * There's nothing in The New York Times either. Results:, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , and . Will continue this mass.  J 947  (c · m)  04:44, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I cannot do a full search as it will take too much time but I could find this for Jacek Andrzej Bukowski, this mention and this quote for Drozd... I just can't do this so going with Piotrus—a Polish editor—'s recommendation.  J 947  (c · m)  04:00, 7 December 2017 (UTC) (and the weird bolding/italics because I could :))
 * None of those are notability-supporting sources for Drozd — a person does not get a Wikipedia article just because he was quoted giving soundbite in an article about something else, or because he has a routine directory entry in a professional database that would simply be expected to include everybody who falls within that database's professional and geographic scope, or because his name happens to be mentioned as an "invited guest" in a listing of a choir performance at the local concert hall. But you don't appear to be suggesting that they are notability-supporting sources, so I'm not too clear on why you actually bothered listing them at all. Bearcat (talk) 16:26, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Yep, they aren't notability-supporting and I didn't say that. Good job for seeing that. I listed them so that editors could see that there was a lot to wade through and perhaps separate batches of nominations across a month would be a better way of doing this.  J 947  (c · m)  00:06, 9 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete all Per WP:NPOL. Per nom. For those reasons. Ventric (talk) 20:09, 10 December 2017 (UTC)


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