Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Men of Essex


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The result was   delete.  Sandstein  06:51, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Men of Essex

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Fails WP:V. The reference provided isn't a reliable source and doesn't refer to any organized group called the Men of Essex. Google searches show the term is commonly used, but seems to simply refer to men from Essex, not to any particular group of Essex men. The only reference I can find which capitalizes Men of Essex is this not very reliable looking source. Pburka (talk) 23:55, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete In the context of the Peasants' Revolt the term may be validly used to distinguish the Essex rebels from those from Kent, but to project from that to the supposition that they were a distinct faction with a clear political agenda is not supported by the sources. In traditional English usage, the men of ...., the women of ... or the people of .... is a non-notable way of distinguishing people by use of a geographical label. Confusingly, Men of Kent has acquired a particular meaning - see East Kent. AJHingston (talk) 00:20, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment You'll get more results trying "Essex men." Nevertheless, this probably does not deserve a separate article - it should just be mentioned in the Peasants' Revolt article that there were subdivisions who did different things. ("The Kent men entered through the Bridge Gate and the Essex men through Aldgate," "On the 14th of July the king rode out to meet Jack Straw and the Essex men at Mile End...But the Kentish men broke into the Tower as the king left") Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 01:36, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
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 * KEEP: Although a distinction has grown up between the Men of Kent and the Kentish Men, no such distinction has arisen between the Men of Essex and the Essex men. It is not a matter of whether the "way of distinguishing people by use of a geographical label" is notable but whether the people themselves are notable and this has not been challenged. Regarding the terminology, I don't think there is a need to be precious about it, but as there was a significant group of people from Essex who marched upon London I think it is clear that there is scope for an informative article detailing this, the journey they took, who were their leaders and related events in Essex in the sort of detail which would be less appropriate in a general article on the Peasant's Revolt.Harrypotter (talk) 17:02, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * But all of that is in the Peasants' Revolt article. There has to be a question about whether the Essex rebels are independently notable, and I do not think the case has been made. Remember that the contemporary sources are incomplete and not necessarily reliable, these are an example, and Wikipedia should not base itself on what might have been the case. AJHingston (talk) 17:42, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  essay  // 02:49, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Delete unless someone can find something more substantial to write about this. There doesn't seem to be anything to write about the Men of Essex other than that they were involved in the peasants' revolt, that that's already covered in the Peasants' Revolt article. At a push it might qualify for a redirect, but as I suspect there are many other groups using the title of "Men of Essex" it's barely worth it. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 22:40, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
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