Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Menelaos Lountemis


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure)  B E C K Y S A Y L E S  06:06, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Menelaos Lountemis

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As background:- This is one of the 3,583 articles created by machine translation using the content translation tool prior to July 2016. There was a community discussion in which it was decided (1) to disable the tool on en.wiki and (2) to pass a new, temporary criterion for speedy deletion at WP:CSD, to enable the removal of these articles. The community accepted that many of these articles are fixable and properly-translated versions of them do belong on the encyclopaedia; but the community felt that machine translations are not reliable. Copyedited fixups of machine translations are also unreliable unless the person who has done the copyediting has dual fluency in the source language as well as English and so can confirm that the script has preserved the original meaning in the source language. Since that time I have been slowly grinding through the 3,583 articles listed here. Unfortunately in the case of this article the speedy deletion was declined, and my prod was unwisely removed with the accurate but unhelpful statement that the content "needs copyediting but is understandable", despite extensive community discussion and consensus that machine translations are speedy-deletable. So now I need to ask the community to enforce it via AfD. I want to be clear that this translation is fixable for someone with dual fluency. I could fix it. But the effort involved is utterly disproportionate when these articles were created by scripts, and I'd like to finish this job at some point and I'm hoping to retire in 20 years. So I need the extraordinary measures the community has authorised to be enforced. Help me AfD, you're my only hope! — S Marshall T/C 18:25, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist  (Speak quickly) (Follow my trail) 07:21, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Greece-related deletion discussions. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist  (Speak quickly) (Follow my trail) 07:21, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete. I can understand why User:Ad Orientem declined the speedy, since X2 says that articles must be SNOW deletes.  Realistically though nobody is going to take the time to copy-edit all of these, we should just delete per WP:TNT.  --Cerebellum (talk) 16:33, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, joe deckertalk 02:52, 24 January 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment. Quick search shows tons of info out there, web sites with quotations, poems, books. It's a pity there has been so little improvement of the article since it was imported almost a year ago. Jack N. Stock (talk) 04:07, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep and leave it tagged for sourcing, improvement. A few scattered references to him in English language WP:RS sources do come up.  Not a lot, but, imo, sufficient to keep.E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:50, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kurykh (talk) 06:03, 3 February 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.