Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Merritton Tunnel


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The result was   keep. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:03, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Merritton Tunnel

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Fringe ghost hunting sources whose interest lies in "spooky details" such as construction deaths and gravesites may find the place interesting, but there is no "significant coverage by reliable, third-party sources to establish notability" required by WP:GEOFEAT. LuckyLouie (talk) 22:54, 25 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Against deletion. While the sources referenced should be swapped-out for more reliable ones, the underlying entry is not focused on "spooky details" and merits retention. Natty10000 | Natter  03:27, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Are there any WP:RS references that discuss this particular tunnel in depth? The two mainstream sources given only discuss the Welland Canal in general. They do not establish why this tunnel might be notable outside of a small group of ghost hunters. - LuckyLouie (talk) 19:48, 26 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:32, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:32, 26 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger One ping only 04:23, 2 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep per substantial coverage in reliable independent sources. Candleabracadabra (talk) 23:53, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
 * That's great news, since I've been trying to find reliable independent sources. Can you share them with us? - LuckyLouie (talk) 00:58, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Have you tried Google Books and Google News? For example the Annual Report of the Bureau of Industries for the Province... - Page 8 http://books.google.com/books?id=cl8TAAAAYAAJ Ontario. Bureau of Industries - 1891 states that "Two were killed on the G. T. R. at Merritton tunnel and three were seriously hurt in a collision. There have been a great many more accidents on these roads, but the employés appear to be afraid to give the information ; neither will they state..." There's the The Hoosier Packet: News and Journal of the Canal Society of... http://books.google.com/books?id=w80fAQAAMAAJ

2007 stating "It is known as The Great Western Railway Tunnel, The Grand Trunk Railway Tunnel, The Merritton Tunnel, and as The Blue Ghost Tunnel. "It passes under the 3rd canal between locks 18 and 19. When the railway line was double tracked, the..." There are cites in the article. The nom has noted it's been a focus of ghost hunters. What more is needed? It's a keeper. Candleabracadabra (talk) 01:51, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Even the lowly New York Times appears to have covered the tunnel: http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F00913F93F5E10738DDDA10894D0405B8185F0D3. Surely there is some Wikipedian foolish enough to subscribe to that fishwrapper who can tell us what they had to say? Sure, most of what they print is largely fictional, but such is life. Candleabracadabra (talk) 01:55, 3 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the sources. Google books does not allow me a preview of content, but I assume every gruesome death is accounted for. I've added the new sources and will recommend a Keep. LuckyLouie (talk) 02:18, 3 October 2013 (UTC)


 * This seems like a nice video source. I look forward to seeing the article greatly expanded. Some images would be nice as well. Candleabracadabra (talk) 01:59, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

More sources: Six People Perish In Grand Trunk Tunnel .‎ Spokane Daily Chronicle - Oct 10, 1904 "Six employes of the Grand Trunk railway were suffocated to death by cool gas today Intha St. Clair tunnel, which runs under the St. Clair river from Port ..." … By Death.
 * GAS KILLS SIX IN A TUNNEL.; Heroic...‎ New York Times
 * Six Railway Employes...‎ Daily Tribune
 * In St. Clair Tunnel .‎ Warsaw Daily Union
 * Boston Evening Transcript - Meriden Morning Record

The four sources above are covering the same incident..

TRAINMEN ASPHYXIATED.; Three Deaths from Foul Air in a...‎

-Asphyxiation caused the death of three men in the Grand Trunk Railway tunnel last night. The dead are Henry J. Courtney, engineer; Arthur Dunn, conductor, ..." *THE BIG ST. CLAIR TUNNEL; CEREMONIES AT ITS FORMAL OPENING...‎ New York Times - Sep 20, 1891 "At the ends of the approaches are junctions with thel;raud Trank Railway on the ... The cost of the tunnel proper was $1460000. The Grand Trunk l,et, ... " St. Joseph Herald Candleabracadabra (talk) 02:06, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
 * New York Times - Nov 30, 1897
 * Thru .Die By .Gas.‎ Milwaukee Journal
 * The Tunnel Opened .Under The Water .To...‎ Spokane Review
 * The St. Claim Tunnel.‎ Toronto Daily Mail
 * 1891-tex .The World's Greatest .Who...‎ Philadelphia Record
 * Comment: I am not so sure that the sources about the "St. Clair Tunnel" refer to the tunnel that is the subject here; I think those may in fact refer to a different tunnel on the Grand Trunk line, for which we already have the article St. Clair Tunnel. I might still be inclined to preserve the information about this lesser-known Merritton Tunnel, based on its age and separate historical significance. --Arxiloxos (talk) 05:59, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I believe this tunnel goes by several names. I tried to list only sources dealing with it but I see that in at couple instances I did include results for the other tunnel. I have struck those. Still, there is quite a lot of coverage for this tunnel going back 125 or so years. Candleabracadabra (talk) 14:28, 3 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep upon consideration of the matter. A nice, verifiable article. 67.84.20.247 (talk) 23:00, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
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