Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mesg


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Sam Walton (talk) 11:14, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

Mesg

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I prodded it with the following rationale: "The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing General notability guideline and the more detailed Notability (software) requirement. " It was deprodded by User:Bgwhite with the following rationale "Rm prod. This is a standard Unix command". To which I will reply "So what"? This kind of stuff may belong on Unix wikia, but has nothing to do with an encyclopedia. I repeat: this concept does not show its importance, it fails GNG, and NSOFTWARE. And yes, I am aware that we have many similar articles, but WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is only an argument useful for showing we have more garbage like this to shed. Seriously, even an Encylopedia of Computing wouldn't mention the vast majority individual Unix commands (ok, ok, sudo and several others are notable, I am not saying delete them en mass, but mesg (or logname or whatis) are only good example of what should NOT be in an encyclopedia). If you think otherwise, please frame your counter-argument based on notability policies. Thank you in advance :) PPS. I will also point out that several other Unix commands have been redirected, without discussion: Bg (Unix), Fg (Unix), as well as Lp (Unix), the latter following Articles for deletion/Lp (Unix). I hope we can agree on where to redirect this and similar entries on non-notable Unix commands in a spirit of mutual cooperation. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:24, 1 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep and discuss merge if not enough text is available. Mesg is an obviously good search material. Viewers would certainly want to be able to search Unix commands in English Wikipedia. Btw, Notability (software) is an essay. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:40, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep This concept does not show its importance, it fails GNG and NSOFTWARE.  GNG never mentions importance.  WP:NSOFTWARE is an essay.  Mesg easily passes GNG with the thousands of refs (books for example). Bigger issue, could this be merged elsewhere?  Bg (Unix), Fg (Unix) and Lp (Unix) were all subprograms of a larger process.  For bg and fg,  these two commands are part of controlling various jobs, thus they were redirected to job control (Unix).  For lp, it is a print command under System V printing system, thus the reason for the redirect.  The problem with mesg is that it doesn't fall under another system.  It's used in conjunction with Talk (Unix), Write (Unix) and wall (Unix). ...but WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is only an argument useful for showing we have more garbage like this to shed   This is a WP:IDONTLIKEIT and not an argument for deletion.  Does this have "Significant coverage" in "reliable", "independent" "sources"? Yes.  Is this something listed under What Wikipedia is not?  No.  Therefore, it passes GNG and be kept.  Bgwhite (talk) 10:30, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Could you be so kind and point out that significant coverage in reliable, independent sources? Because the article is unreferenced, and nobody has mentioned refs here yet. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  12:26, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I already gave some, look at the "book" link. An unsourced article is no reason for deletion.  Bgwhite (talk) 20:27, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Care to look at WP:V? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 05:14, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - easily passes WP:GNG per sources.BabbaQ (talk) 14:28, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * ... you realize that the article is unreferenced, yes? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 12:26, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - WP is full of Linux nerds, so this would be a hard fight :D . For additional rationale: most of these fundamental Unix commands deserve pages because they have a strong and demonstrable lineage in computing history. These pages help to explain not just what programs do, but why they do it the way they do. For instance, tar (computing) reveals the ancestry of a program that might look counter-intuitive or pointless if you didn't know it used to be for WORM tapes. 157.235.66.80 (talk) 17:59, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I'd be happy to withdraw my vote nomination if someone could add a section about this command's significance. With references. Or just point to those references here. All I see so far are arguments that WP:ITSNOTABLE because WP:THEREMUSTBESOURCES. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 12:26, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry that you believe the master UNIX specification is non notable, or that this is a voting procedure. Mesg is detailed in corporate and educational guides, such as https://answers.uchicago.edu/page.php?id=16197, https://kb.iu.edu/d/acjl, http://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/ssw_aix_61/com.ibm.aix.cmds3/mesg.htm These sources confirm the content of the article and vouch for the widespread use of mesg, but don't warrant inline refs because they just paraphrase the manpage.
 * AfD is not a "guilty until proven innocent" system. No admin in their right mind is going to entertain the idea of you holding out your "vote" until someone does your due-diligence research for you. 157.235.66.80 (talk) 20:00, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 10:54, 5 November 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.