Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Metal Masters Tour


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  02:33, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Metal Masters Tour

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BLAR'd to Judas Priest in December 2022 due to notability concerns. The redirect was contested at this RfD on February 10 because there were four notable bands featured in this tour (Judas Priest, Motörhead, Heaven & Hell, and Testament), so this could not be redirected anywhere and participants agreed to take the page to AfD. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 03:55, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Music, Events, Canada,  and United States of America. –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 03:55, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 05:54, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Pinging the following participants:, , , and , as well as relisters and . –Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 03:57, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Found this source covering setlists and these three show reviews in a brief search. There's also quite a few articles covering the announcement . This is looking really keepable to me so far. QuietHere (talk) 07:47, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * On top of that, there's this piece from Billboard, this interview in Guitar World, a mention in Rob Halford's book, and this mention in a book on Sabbath. Dunno how much all of that contributes to notability since the mentions are fairly passing, but maybe there are some juicy details worth adding in there that I skimmed past. And there's also a cover story in Revolver which I can't find an archived copy of just yet; that's gotta be worth something. I'd be willing to vote keep based on everything I've dug up so far, especially given it wasn't entirely thorough and there could easily be even more. QuietHere (talk) 07:57, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: Consensus is strongly leaning delete, however giving more time for sources to be found. If not... Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 02:00, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Judas Priest - Notability appears to be WP:INHERITED mainly from Judas Priest. The non-archived sources provided above do not meet General Notability requirements for the tour, as they focus on the bands performing and which albums they are promoting (InternetArchive is down as of writing this, but those sources appear to be mostly interviews and passing mentions, which do not qualify for GNG). Ultimately, the tour was a flash in the pan and never continued past 2008, and the lack of WP:SUSTAINED coverage in sources reflects this. We should not have an article on this tour. Redirect to Judas Priest as they were the headliners and have by far the most prominent mentions in the above references. Mentions about the tour can be added to the articles of the other bands. - "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (work / talk) 00:15, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @GhostOfDanGurney Gotta be honest, it's hard to tell from this comment whether you looked at any of the sources I listed above or only at what's already in the article. Just wanna be sure you didn't miss all that. QuietHere (talk &#124; contributions) 05:18, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Please reread my comment. It very clearly says The non-archived sources provided above. Now that InternetArchive is back up, I can see that the sources hosted on it are more of the same. A hodgepodge of WP:ROUTINE news coverage with little more than "hey look four big metal bands are touring together" all from spring-summer 2008. - "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (work / talk) 05:59, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
 * It appears I missed the word "above" in your comment which is what threw me off. My mistake. For what it's worth, I still think the coverage is valuable (between the sheer quantity of reliable sources and especially the show reviews), but I understand the disagreement. QuietHere (talk &#124; contributions) 06:06, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: Disagree with 's vote to redirect, in fact, redirecting to Judas Priest will result to being re-RFD'd due to WP:PLA and WP:PTOPIC issues. There are four albums which is linked are (Nostradamous, Motörizer, The Rules of Hell, and the Formation of Damnation). When in fact the 2008 tour featuring Maroon 5 and Counting Crows, thats the case which the article was created, BLARed by, RFD'd by due to XY concerns and then restored and send to AFD and it ultimately deleted at the AFD venue. So the fact "Metal Masters Tour" is a multiple artist, co-headlining tour and that one won't survive long as which is another type of WP:MILL article that fails WP:NTOUR, which have been tagged as needing additional references for two years, and there is no ATD to do so. 2600:1700:9BF3:220:A88A:8D54:669C:B3C1 (talk) 03:11, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * This is a sound rebuttal to my ATD. My only counter is WP:CHEAP and WP:CRYSTAL. - "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (work / talk) 01:09, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Let me set the record straight about this, if a co-headlining tour or a multiple artist headlining tour, even triple-headliner or quadruple headlining article got BLAR'd to a main headliner, which will led to RFD and then AFD. In case, the Aerosmith/ZZ Top Tour got kept in the AFD, which have presented new sources about cancellations and setbacks on both Aerosmith and ZZ Top camps. The Aerosmith and ZZ Top co-headlining tour is hereby a notable co-headlining tour, while the Metal Masters Tour are not, due to four artists headlining the summer tour and four associated albums by their respective bands that are mentioned. Let me tag, the one who BLAR'd the most of the non-notable concert tours, in case of an opinion about the Metal Masters Tour. 2600:1700:9BF3:220:A88A:8D54:669C:B3C1 (talk) 02:44, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I guess I'll reiterate. We can't let crystal ball predictions based on WP:OTHERSTUFF dictate us here. In the event this is sent back to RfD, they can be referred to this discussion. Eventually common sense would prevail and end any potential cycle that you describe. I accepted your example of the Maroon 5 tour as an example of precedent, but I have no idea why you feel the need to bring up Aerosmith/ZZ Top. The sources posted by can be summarized to varying degrees as, "Judas Priest (and friends) are having a big tour, [check them out/this is what they played]." - "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (work / talk) 03:05, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Move to draft. Perhaps other sources can be found in print. BD2412  T 14:23, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: Final relist. I don't see a consensus here. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 03:22, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Judas Priest. As stated by User:GhostOfDanGurney, Judas Priest were the headliners, and most of the sources are from interviews which may not be enough to show notability. I do agree however, that the tour can be mentioned in the article of the other bands. In my own opinion, I'd have to say that the article does not show notability per WP:NTOUR. HorrorLover555 (talk) 13:53, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


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