Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Metal Storm (webzine)


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The result was   no consensus.  MBisanz  talk 20:21, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Metal Storm (webzine)

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Metal webzine that fails WP:WEB; no coverage about the webzine in independent sources. Only claim to notability is an Alexa score, which just doesn't cut it. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 13:56, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, doesn't seem to pass WP:WEB or WP:GNG, and doesn't include the requisite citations from reliable sources. Stifle (talk) 14:10, 14 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I tried searching on Google News archives, and also in a library database of newspaper and magazine articles, but could not find any independent sources that would help to establish WP:N notability. Delete unless sources appear before the end of this deletion discussion. Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 17:47, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 04:15, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Websites-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 04:15, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep This web site is very notable. --68.103.2.240 (talk) 20:36, 15 November 2008 (UTC) — 68.103.2.240 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment That is not an argument. What sources do you have to demonstrate notability? Blackmetalbaz (talk) 20:42, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep If you do a Google search with the name in one word and e.g. the awards (as done in the link provided), you will see that quite a few bands links to those awards every year TheWutheringRaven (talk) 09:03, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment It's rather unimportant whether bands link to the site, and the awards are not pertinent to WP:WEB, as the site itself would have had to have received a major award, rather than doling them out. Any webzine can award an album of the year. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 15:11, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Do you consider the fact that other sites use their reviews and interviews as something that can establish notability? An example in that case could be Gamespot.com or Metal-Rules.com. If not then I can't provide other than the fact that people use it for metal related news if they're not comfortable with Blabbermouth. TheWutheringRaven (talk) 17:13, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Blabbermouth has used a MetalStorm interview once or twice as well, and some Wikipedia pages has MS listed as references too. TheWutheringRaven (talk) 14:07, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment The best of the bunch there is that Blabbermouth reprinted one of their inetrviews... which let's face it, is not particularly special. All the others are other non-notable internet fansites. Oh, sorry, apart from Wikipedia, of course ;-) Blackmetalbaz (talk) 13:39, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete - I don't see how they meet notability for web or general notability. They haven't been covered in any articles in reliable sources, nor have they won any awards.  Distribution of their content is basically themselves and the one reprint on another site.  It just doesn't add up to notability for a webzine.  That many bands have been given an award by Metal Storm doesn't establish notability.  If these awards were significant and were covered in reliable sources, that would be a different.  But I found no coverage about these awards in reliable sources. -- Whpq (talk) 18:01, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –Juliancolton Tropical  Cyclone  02:01, 20 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Weak keep Seems to be a somewhat notable site. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:17, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete (weakly)--as sympathetic as I am to the project, it needs to be covered to establish notability, that's simply how it works. That quite a few WP pages use Metal Storm to establish notability for the article, that's something that needs to be addressed individually, but it doesn't confer notability on Metal Storm. Drmies (talk) 15:49, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep The site is undoubtedly one of the top places to get information about metal bands. So since many bands have links to it for reviews, interviews and other stuff, I think a wiki article is justified. But a "clean-up" of the article is needed, so it has a more neutral view. Iaberis (talk) 18:32, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, many other less notable metal webzines have wikipages, so I don't see why not this one too. Iaberis (talk) 18:41, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 11:53, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep I don't know if anyone have noticed the part about being an official partner of French festival HellFest under Concert Reviews. As stated there MS have participated in the upcoming DVD about the festival. TheWutheringRaven (talk) 19:30, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: Have to agree on this, HellFest's site is a reliable source and generally speaking the 2nd biggest metal event of Europe. Iaberis (talk) 02:31, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep Biggest metal webzine on the internet, so obviously highly noteable. The site is recognised by many large labels and festivals around the world, some band members & organisers even have accounts on the site. Also, as stated above, Metal Storm is also credited in the new Hellfest DVD.Bazanderson88 (talk) 19:49, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - none of these keep arguments adress the lack of independent reliable sources. -- Whpq (talk) 11:17, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment How is HellFest, record labels and bands not independent reliable sources?? TheWutheringRaven (talk) 17:46, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Reply - This is in respect to notability. Notability is established with coverage in reliable sources such as newspapers, trade magazines, etc.  A band or record label linking mentioning an award doesn't establish notability.  A sponsorship agreement doesn't establish notability. -- Whpq (talk) 20:28, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * CommentWhpq, you didn't answer The WutheringRaven's question. He asked WHY Hellfest, record labels, bands aren't considered as independent reliable sources. OzmanM (talk)
 * Reply - Please read the notability guideslines, WP:N. I have answered the question. -- Whpq (talk) 10:57, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


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