Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Metallurgy of Ukraine


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. HEY HEY HEY. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:23, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Metallurgy of Ukraine

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This article requires editors with access to references on the topic and reasonable knowledge of English. None are forthcoming. The editor that created the article, User:Anastasiia Bilenska, has not edited it since it was new on the 28th of November 2009 nor made any edits on Wikipedia since the 29th of November. Faults in the article remain unchanged since that time including non English words such as "metalospozhyvachamy." I recommended deletion on the talk page on the 26th of May 2010, with no comments from other editors since then. User:Ironholds marked the article with a multiple issues template on the 18th of December, but there have been only minor fixes that did not address the major problems apparently done by editors without the access to technical documents that would be needed to fix major problems. It would be easier to do a new article on this topic than to fix the present one. Fartherred (talk) 05:01, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. This article is nominally in English, but practically speaking, it doesn't read that way. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 06:06, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The article has changed significantly since the nomination. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 13:45, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Feels like the author ran this through babelfish or something. Dengero (talk) 07:05, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. Poor use of English is not, on it's own, a reason to delete. Neither is having offline references.I will spend tomorrow rewriting the article: a far better idea than deleting it because of poor prose and perfectly acceptable sources. Ironholds (talk) 07:12, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep (If the page can be improved, this should be solved through regular editing, rather than deletion). The subject itself is notable. Perhaps, instead of outright deletion, it should be trimmed to a stub to remove unsourced text. BTW, what "technical documents" are required here? Do you need "technical documents" to approach Bethlehem Steel or Gambling in Liechtenstein? The only problem, as I see it, is that neverending Eastern European problem of scope: did Ukraine exist before 1991, and if it did, how much space must be dedicated to info overlapping with Russian, Polish and Austro-Hungarian history etc. Present-day economy is fairly straightforward. East of Borschov (talk) 07:14, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * On a closer look, the article is a machine translation of uk:Чорна металургія України (Ferrous metallurgy of Ukraine), hence (a) review licensing/copyvio terms (b) consider renaming to Ferrous metallurgy of Ukraine. Ironholds: perhaps human translation of the uk-wiki original (FWIW) is a better idea than fixing a creepy computer translation. East of Borschov (talk) 07:38, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Possibly, but I don't speak Ukranian. I was simply thinking of the good ol' "rip it down and start afresh". Ironholds (talk) 12:48, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I boldly took it over and ripped it down to a stub! I'll proceed with writing in my own user space at a leisurely pace (mostly from scratch) and it will take weeks. The USGS and the FBI have more data on Ukrainian steel industry than anyone can digets :)). East of Borschov (talk) 08:50, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - as unsalvageable machine translation. Since no one seems willing or capable of fixing the article, it would be better to start from scratch. ETA: Those interested in the topic can read the Ukrainian article, provided they speak Ukrainian, which is a reasonable assumption given the topic. --70.80.234.196 (talk) 14:30, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - thanks to rescue effort, my original vote no longer applies.--70.80.234.196 (talk) 00:08, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ukraine-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:07, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:07, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete without prejudice towards re-creation. I don't think WP:ATD fully applies in that it is very unlikely that this article can be fixed with "regular editing". Location (talk) 23:02, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. Article recently rewritten by East of Borschov to meet Wikipedia standards. (Good work!) Location (talk) 14:36, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep That nobody is working on the article is not a reason to delete it. 99% of our articles are less than good and we keep them all in mainspace in the hope that they will be found and improved by passing editors.  This is our editing policy. Colonel Warden (talk) 07:17, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You may strike out "nobody" now! No promises of a quick remedy, though. East of Borschov (talk) 09:51, 14 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep The article is easily copyedited and referenced   - I will work on it over the next 24 hours. Chaosdruid (talk) 12:56, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Note - I have userified it to my sanbox complete with previous version prior to ripping down to stub. I do like the idea of "Efforts to develop a mean city" and "Ukraine harakteryzuyet melting technology gap compared with the roses"...Chaosdruid (talk) 13:51, 14 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep - A marginal translation is not grounds for deletion of an otherwise decent article.  Snotty Wong   talk 19:21, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * comment: If I would have known how to contact East of Borschov and Chaosdruid, I never would have nominated this article for deletion. I did not know that that sort of expertise was available.  --Fartherred (talk) 23:39, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit and so we have most of the world's population available as potential editors. We do not delete articles if a specific editor has not yet been identified because articles are not owned in that way.  Colonel Warden (talk) 12:48, 16 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep per WP:HEY. It may have been bad when nominated, but looks fine to me as it appears now. Bearian (talk) 22:52, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - Knowledge is a terrible thing to waste, regardless of what language its in.--Mike Cline (talk) 17:10, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.