Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Metropolitan Throne of Malankara See


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Malankara Metropolitan. Anything useful may be merged. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 02:53, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Metropolitan Throne of Malankara See

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The claims that the primates of Malankara starting from Marthoma I were enthroned using this particular chair are uncorroborated. There is no evidence that this chair is the one used in 1653 AD or in the consecrations of subsequent primates of Malankara. In spite of the article being up over a decade, the author(s) have failed to provide even a single reference of contemporary records that verify their claims. As such, they remain claims, not historical facts. While the events of episcopal consecration are undisputed, the claims that a specific chair was used without even a single reliable source or contemporary document to back up the claim simply falls short of an article worthy of taking up space in Wikipedia Swordofcherubim (talk) 01:50, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 02:53, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. North America1000 02:59, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

- Redirect to Apostolic Throne, or failing that, Malankara Metropolitan. As a non-notable chair it fails WP:GNG. Article also constitutes chaircruft. The title 'throne' isn't necessarily paired with a physical throne. Cesde v a (talk) 20:58, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Striking as I need to re-think. The article appears to have undergone a major scope change at some point in its history; from apostolic throne to physical throne. Cesde v a  (talk) 21:21, 11 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Apostolic Throne. In 2008 the article looked very different, with a different scope and title; so there may be a topic and content worth salvaging in old revisions. All I can say for sure is that the POV-war has resulted in an unsourced article about a chair, which appears to fail WP:GNG. The content is of no use to readers so the page should be redirected until quality content can take its place. Cesde v a  (talk) 22:48, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge -- It seems far more to the point to merge this to an article in the office, probably Malankara Metropolitan. The throne can be used to illustrate that article and the other material can be worked in.  The important thing is the office of metropolitan, not the chair on which he may occasionally sit ceremonially.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:38, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 * In order to be 'worked in', the content would have to be verifiable. Have you any sources to demonstrate that?


 * Also its straightforward to add the picture to the 'Malankar Metropolitan' article because the image has its own separate CC licensing. No merge needed. Cesde v a  (talk) 20:34, 12 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Merge-- to Malankara Metropolitan.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 19:45, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 * A !vote requires reasoning to hold any weight. Cesde v a  (talk) 20:34, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &#8213; Matthew J. Long -Talk-☖  18:56, 18 February 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 19:15, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Subject fails GNG. Additionally the article is almost entirely unsourced and fails WP:V. Under the circumstances there is nothing that can be merged. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:14, 5 March 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.