Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mexico International University (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Consensus is here that the article meets the notability and verifiability standards. There were arguments against the quality of the sources which don't stand up to the test of WP:RS and WP:V (non-admin closure) --  Dane talk  05:20, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Mexico International University
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Absolutely no sourcing found. 30 hits on Google, all hits appear to originate from Wikipedia. Absolutely fails WP:V, WP:GNG. Last AFD closed as "no consensus" after three relists failed to gather any attention at all. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 04:09, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Per WP:GNG. I could not locate reliable sources to verify the subject. Comatmebro  (talk) 04:25, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 04:26, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 04:26, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Mexico-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 04:26, 20 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep as this instantly satisfies WP:V as by the last AfD, which is a pillar policy therefore a guideline is not relevant here; as with several non-English subjects, the source is a Spanish one and a search specifically in Spanish is needed, not an English one. SwisterTwister   talk  05:11, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I get only 135 unique hits for the school, and as a fluent Spanish speaker, none of them seem substantial in any way. The source you cited does not seem to be a WP:RS. Everything I found seems only to be a directory listing, such as this or this. Clearly just directory listings and not reliable sources in any way. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 05:18, 20 September 2017 (UTC)


 * So am I, and I've mentioned it several times here at WP before; in a second search now, I managed to actually this, this, this and these are in fact independent reliable sources, which are what satisfies WP:V. Also, there's no need for a ping as I'm watching this AfD, as with any I've visited. SwisterTwister   talk  05:27, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I can't get any of those to load. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 00:28, 21 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep. The second and third of  ST's reefs are substantial. This is a real university with a rector and students, and that's all that is needed for a higher education school. It might even pass the GNG, and there is likely to be more in the appropriate sources which are not always findable by Google.  DGG ( talk ) 17:48, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. - Lack of reliable sources. The "keepers" above make claims without meeting burden of proof. Again, for those who don't know, just because the university "exists" doesn't mean it should have an article. If there are not reliable sources for it, then we can wait to the future provides them. It does not seem like an accredited university. MX (  ✉  •  ✎  ) 15:50, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I finally got this source to load, and my fluency in Spanish shows it to be little more than a promo/advertisement. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 18:07, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * It's still a local newspaper article confirming WP:V therefore whatever could be argued about the tone nature is not relevant to showing it's an independent source. If its tone is a concern, it's because it's about a local topic of interest but, still, is independent coverage. SwisterTwister   talk  18:27, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep - Higher education institution of confirmed existence; long standing precedent at AfD is to keep all articles on secondary schools and higher of confirmed existence. That's a rule of thumb that works well. Carrite (talk) 17:16, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 18:40, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Even in the complete absence of reliable sources beyond directory listings and PR? There are directory listings confirming that the Tim Hortons in my town exists; does that make it notable? Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 18:41, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
 * If your Tim Horton's educated 10th, 11th, and 12th grade students — yes, it would be. Best, Carrite (talk) 20:24, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete – Not enough good refs to support inclusion at this time. NerudaPoet (talk) 23:35, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  J 947(c) (m) 22:58, 4 October 2017 (UTC) *Keep. This is an actual university with students and a rector. We also have the language barrier keeping the typical Wikipedian from finding sources from Google. Higher education institutions which have been confirmed as far as their existence have a precedent at Wikipedia AfD of being kept. This rule has worked well in the past and I see no reason to reinvent the wheel.Knox490 (talk) 23:54, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I do most of my writing in Wikipedia using Spanish-language sources. There aren't enough reliable sources for this university. None that I could find,at least. Just because something exist doesn't mean it has the quality to become an article. Existence does not prove notability. MX ( ✉  •  ✎  ) 14:03, 6 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep and avoid predilection for downgrading institutions outside the US. Hyperbolick (talk) 02:35, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:JUSTAVOTE is not valid. It's also been proven above that the Spanish sources are anemic too (keep in mind I'm fluent in Spanish). Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 02:39, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
 * recognize that non-US institutions suffer from absence of coverage in English sources, but also from fewer media outlets existing in smaller countries at all. Two levels of obstacle to overcome. Hyperbolick (talk) 02:48, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
 * and keeping the article will compensate for the lack of sourcing? So we should keep it just because there might possibly maybe be sources out there? Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 03:10, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Will look more deeply into it. When I have time. Hyperbolick (talk) 15:15, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, let's move this to a draft for now and see what happens. Hyperbolick (talk) 15:15, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: To assess new information and some of the old sources that only one user commented upon
 * Keep - I took a different approach. Not speaking Spanish, I went to LinkedIn and found 175 people listing the school as their place of employment.[] I also found some published research by university professors on researchgate.net. []. Of concern is that the article stub may be inaccurate.  It says the focus is on communications and business, while researchgate.net suggests that psychology, international affairs and engineering are also represented. [] Someone who can read the school's web site might take a crack at correcting that. Lastly, as an FYI, this was added by an inactive SPA, but I didn't let that sway me. TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  20:38, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:22, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - This is an article about an academic institution and per WP:UNI/AG, "all colleges and universities are de facto notable and should be included on Wikipedia." Although the article could definitely use some expansion, it's obvious that it should be kept. PFAStudent (talk) 19:21, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep This institution is a University, it isobviously given university status by the approved authority in Mexico, then by Wikipedia policy, it automatically qualifies for a page. Deathlibrarian (talk) 11:32, 13 October 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.