Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mey Chan


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy close. This is not a debate or an issue for the AFD process. In the words of the nominator, this was "not a discussion about the notability of the subject", but is an issue with BLP violations and a potential hoax. While of massive concern, if these problems are legitimate then a seven-day debate is not the correct course of action. AFD is not "Articles for possible TNT", as is the proposal.

Per the AFD guidelines: "If there are verifiability, notability or other sourcing concerns, take reasonable steps to search for reliable sources." I do not see that any debate has taken place, as the article has a clean talk page, so no attempt at discourse appears to have taken place. Even if it had, this would not be an issue for AFD unless an editor wishes to nominate Mey for deletion due to notability concerns. Any hoax should be brought to CSD if it has been present from creation. The fact that even the nominator feels that Mey is eligible means this AFD is malformed.

I'm afraid that I can't really suggest a course of action from here because I do not speak Indonesian and thus cannot make the improvements to the article myself. But, my advice to Lemongirl942 is to reduce the article to a minimum using the information you have found, reliably source it, and then any BLP issues in former revisions could be removed via oversight. An alternative would be to, as you suggest, delete and start again. If this has indeed been a hoax since the beginning, I would suggest that you nominate it for CSD. KaisaL (talk) 03:38, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Mey Chan

 * – ( View AfD View log  Stats )

I am requesting a TNT deletion for this article. This was recently started and the version from the beginning contains a bunch of hoax claims. For reference, see the article on the Indonesia Wikipedia id:Mey Chan. The article creator seems to have added hoax claims to the personal life and also other facts. These seems to have been taken from multiple articles and put into this one. There is literally no good version to go back to and it would be a waste of time to put this back together. This is a new article with almost no substantial content apart from those by the creator, the edit history is not useful and I suggest accordingly TNTing it. -- Lemongirl942 (talk) 11:23, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Adding on, I am specifically requesting a WP:TNT. This is a discussion to delete this article as it is. It is not a discussion about the notability of the subject. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 12:26, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

I am asking for a TNT specifically because this is a BLP and it started out as a hoax. Some of the claims are outrageous and it would be much better for this to be deleted. The article creator has now been blocked. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 12:36, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Lemongirl942 (talk) 11:23, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Indonesia-related deletion discussions. Lemongirl942 (talk) 11:23, 9 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep- Article is poorly sourced, may require cleanup, but subject is notable per google news search results on Indonesian language google. Article is comparatively new at English Wikipedia, placing maintenance tags would be better option than hastily deleting it. Hitro   talk  11:37, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
 * The problem is not sourcing or notability. The problem is the blatant hoax. I'm specifically asking for it to be TNTed it was started by a now blocked editor and even the basic data in the article is incorrect. There is not one good version of the article to go back to. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 12:21, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm specifically concerned because this is a BLP. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 12:37, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
 * If claims are cited then they become factually accurate, so basic problem is sourcing. I am not able to read Bahasa Indonesia, so per WP:BEFORE, I can not call it a hoax without analyzing online resources when there are numerous references available in reliable sources. Hitro   talk  12:47, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Are you seriously advocating on keeping this massive BLP violation of an article? --Lemongirl942 (talk) 12:52, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Please, this is not the way to prove your point. This is a discussion, let people place their opinions, community will decide on the outcome and I will respect that. If you were sure that this article should have been deleted speedily, then why did you bring it here?  Hitro   talk  13:01, 9 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Speedy Delete under WP:G3 to enable any interested editor to start again. This article is an awful mish-mash from various sources that appear to have been translated from Indonesian by an automated translation service. Starting again, totally from scratch, using information about the real Mey Chan (See https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mey_Chan) is the only sensible option. Exemplo347 (talk) 12:40, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
 * You are saying article is poorly translated so delete it under WP:G3, what kind of logic is that. :) Hitro   talk  12:47, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I assume you have had a quick look at both articles (this hoax version and the original one from the Indonesian Wiki) before you made the ad-hominem comment calling my logic into question? If so you would have seen that the date of birth, place of birth, number of children and career details in this english language version are all fabricated. A speedy deletion under WP:G3 is the best option. Exemplo347 (talk) 12:54, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Reading your comment, I reckon, you are completely sure that the information available on Indonesian language article is true. You compared two articles and declared one a blatant hoax, just because you may not read or write the other language. So, instead of deleting it, we should consider improving the article. Any Wikipedian with the knowledge of Indonesian language can rectify the errors and source the claims. We have several maintenance templates and WikiProjects that can call for help. If you can not improve the article then it does not mean nobody can. Have you read WP:BEFORE? Please read section C of the guidelines. This is a complex case, speedy deletion can not be the best option here to get rid of the article. If this article is to be deleted then it should be deleted by a deletion discussion. Hitro   talk  16:19, 9 August 2016 (UTC)


 * This is a BLP. The claims are frankly outrageous and are a BLP violation. Nothing in this article is factually correct - the infobox, the name, the personal life, the achievements - every single thing is incorrect. I want this to be deleted as fast as possible before it can be mirrored. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 12:49, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Lemongirl942, I encourage you to remove all unsourced claims from the BLP. If that results in a stub, so be it. --Neil N  talk to me 13:16, 9 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment in perspective For editors from the West, I will give an example. This is like creating an article titled "Miley Cyrus", saying that her real name is Madonna Louise Ciccone, that she was born in 1965 to a devout Mormon father, she released a bunch of devotional songs dedicated to the Mormon Church, then joined a band and now she now has 2 children aged 15 and 19 who also have their own Wikipedia pages and another one was born in 2003. (If this is not a blatant hoax, then I don't know what is)--Lemongirl942 (talk) 01:25, 10 August 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.