Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael A. Ryan


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   No Consensus to delete. Comments at this AfD as split between those who view his resume as typical and the sources as insufficient and those who claim that as a general officer he is automatically notable. Claims of automatic notability, especially those based on essays are not to be given much weight. But there are enough sources to make the article minimally verifiable. Given the tenor of the discussion I cannot find a consensus to delete based on the apparently widely held opinion that typical brigadier generals are notable. Eluchil404 (talk) 05:28, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Michael A. Ryan

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Doesn't appear to be a military individual of highly notable accomplishments. Article is basically his resume. W. B. Wilson (talk) 17:43, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment- Incomplete nomination: article has not been tagged with AfD message. Dru of Id (talk) 05:35, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Added to article. W. B. Wilson (talk) 17:30, 1 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment. I dunno, it's certainly an impressive Resume. Brigadier General, Bronze Star, and all that. Are there any sources to be had? UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 15:01, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Should be noted that it would be uncommon in the U.S. military for someone to reach a general officer rank without being awarded a Bronze Star at some point because of an institutional tendency to align the prestige of awards with rank held during an assignment. Note the Bronze Star may be awarded solely for "meritorious service" in peacetime. The article does not indicate any particularly notable achievements during his career other than reaching the rank of brigadier general. Doesn't appear to have had any commands during wartime and holds no apparent awards for valor in combat.  This is why I question the notability of the subject of this article. W. B. Wilson (talk) 17:30, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Makes sense to me. Thanks. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 13:01, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 18:05, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 18:06, 1 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. The US Army's official site turns up exactly one photo of him. Not much in the news except minor announcements and offering of condolences. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:47, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nom, and per the above. Though the subject is retired, WP:USUAL still applies I think - if he does something notable or some notable operation comes to light, an article might be appropriate. At present, with the lack of available sources and the lack of obviously notable achievements (though with thanks for his service, I imagine), I'd have to recommend delete. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 13:01, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Week Keep, per WP:SOLDIER. I have found several passing mentions of him, but nothing that appears to fall under WP:INDEPTH. That being said, there are as many links to said search to a Dr. Ryan who practices general dentistry.
 * As for the image comment made by another editor above, I have found several images of him, especially as his roll in the chain of command in V Corps. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 00:34, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. WP:SOLDIER is an essay, not a guideline. And when I said I found only a photo, I meant there were no articles about or by him. Clarityfiend (talk) 04:36, 4 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep, General officer, so passes WP:SOLDIER. -- Necrothesp (talk) 02:00, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - officers with stars on their shoulders are generally notable. The article needs cleanup badly, but that's not what AfD is for. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:07, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - as per Clarityfiend. --Klemen Kocjancic (talk) 06:19, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * What? Oh, I forgot to sign my delete vote. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:47, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 16:23, 8 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep. Flag/general officers considered notable per WP:SOLDIER. •••Life of Riley (T–C) 22:07, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.