Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Blakey


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The result was   delete. WP:SNOW The Bushranger One ping only 23:41, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Michael Blakey

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However hard I try I can find nothing notable about this gentleman. He was some sort of music business person, but those are ten a penny. He is verifiable, I have no doubt of that because I can see citations, but verifiability is not notability. You can find press articles about me, too, if you try, but they do not make me notable either. This is a contested PROD. Initial PROD was supported thus: "strongly endorsed. shameless autobiographical self promotion (since mostly trimmed), and all refs are either in passing while talking about a real celebrity, or PR fluff" Fiddle Faddle (talk) 08:22, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete, not notable, self written, unsourced self promotion. noclador (talk) 08:40, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete, no reliable sources of notability. Puffery. Only in death does duty end (talk) 08:44, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete: Concur with nom; I could not find any independent sources to establish notability. Blatant self-promotion. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 08:57, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not seeing sufficient third-party coverage to demonstrate notability or justify a biographical article on Wikipedia. --DAJF (talk) 09:10, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - as non-notable and blatant self promotion. ukexpat (talk) 13:37, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * speedy delete strongly endorsed. shameless autobiographical self promotion (since mostly trimmed, and replaced by creator, and deleted again!), and all refs are either in passing while talking about a real celebrity, or PR fluff. Gaijin42 (talk) 16:21, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * comment the editor in question states that "I am not Mr. Blakey nor do I work for the man." -- The Red Pen of Doom  16:43, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * yeah, he can say what he wants - but it is obvious that all the stuff added by the editor in question shows a very very intimate knowledge of Blakeys life: . He even knows such things as that he is "co-owner of DermaBare, LLC. (hair removal boutiques)." and that he "has been endorsed by numerous drum companies and often used in the advertisements for Mapex Drums, Vater Drum sticks, Attack Drum Heads." etc. etc. WP:Duck. noclador (talk) 17:10, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * he knows 'cause he's a genius. no? -- The Red Pen of Doom  17:13, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Possible, but that doesn't change the fact that the article is purely promotional and based almost exclusively on PR material originating directly from the subject of the article. I also have a hard time believing that the editor is completely independent of the subject of the article. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 17:15, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Also User:Dphillips1950... editing Michael Blakey, editing Ron White (Blakey is Whites agent and business partner) and editing Margo Rey (Ron Whites wife)... seems that there is also a sock problem here. noclador (talk) 17:22, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Definitely a sock: noclador (talk) 17:30, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * User:Bassfantastic seems to be related. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 17:47, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment I believe we should ignore whether certain editors are or are not intimately connected with the article, and concentrate only on its technical merits. If sufficient WP:RS references referring directly to the subject, not oblique references in passing can be added to it then it should remain. That would prove notability. If not then it should go, but without prejudice to its re-creation when notability can be established. A major contributor to the article has expressed resentment over being told (by me) of the apparent conflict of interest. It is important that we do not drive down the route of ad hominen comments. We must stick to the article itself, and deal only with its ability to meet the standards here. The editor raises a point that appears to many people to have some validity - that it has survived several years without being challenged - and that point may be worth an experienced and uninvolved person discussing with the editor as a separate issue form the discussion here. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 17:41, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * That the article survived three years just means that no one noticed that it was inappropriately sourced until now. Most likely because it attracted few vistors. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 17:47, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Indeed, but these things often need quiet explanation to those who are concerned about them. Experienced editors know that articles can lie dormant for a long time before attracting attention, and that longevity is no indication of quality of the article. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 17:57, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I gave that response as well at a question he recently posted at the help desk. -- The Red Pen of Doom  18:42, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment this is actually some vile impersonation! Look at his edit by User:Dphillips1950 here : "At the age of 12, he received his first gold record for the song “Yellow River” with the band Christie (he was incorrectly credited as Michael Blakely)" and now look at the video of Christie with Michael Blakley: that's quite some moustache for a 12 year old. noclador (talk) 18:33, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Suspicious, but not conclusive, the video could have been filmed significantly after (unless there is something else to date it) After reviewing the Christie's website, it does not seem feasable. The only things I can think of is either malicious hoax in the wiki editing, or confusion about two people in the music industry with similar names. That even goes further to show that we don't have WP:V in this case. Gaijin42 (talk) 18:51, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * For me it is conclusive: on the Christie (band) article it says: "Mike Blakley (born Michael Blakley, 12 January 1947, Bromley, Kent, England)." and said Michael left Christie in 1973... I would think that this is an attempt by Mr. Blakey to gain notability by stealing someone else's laurels. noclador (talk) 19:13, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * User Uncle G has recently added those details from a source he has access to. -- The Red Pen of Doom  19:16, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The details were already there, and actually correct per the source. I wanted to confirm them for this very reason. Uncle G (talk) 19:41, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The Michael Blakley who drummed for Christie was born on 1947-01-12 in Bromley. I've just found a source for the places and dates of birth and cited it in Christie (band).  The Michael Blakey who is supposedly the subject of this article, and yet also was a 12-year-old drummer for Christie in 1970, is claimed to be born in 1958 in London.  Clearly both the IMDB biography and the edits here by  are false on their faces.  This hoaxery was pointed out and reverted in this article in March 2010, note. Observe that the content added by  matches, which nowhere mentions Christie.  So don't attribute the hoaxery of Dphillips1950 to Mastermusicgenius, who simply didn't check what xe was reverting to.  I've found independent confirmation that Blakey was a board member at 2K Sounds.  I haven't found anything about European Musician of the Year in what would be 1972 or 1973.  Uncle G (talk) 19:41, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think that this is just a problem with Dphillips1950:
 * Wikipedia: "has been awarded 63 gold and platinum records"
 * his personal site: "has earned 63 gold and platinum records"
 * his company site: "has been awarded 63 gold and platinum records"
 * The RIAA's Gold & Platinum Program searchable database: Blakey = No results
 * The German Gold-/Platin-Datenbank no Blakey
 * The British Certified Awards Search No matches found
 * noclador (talk) 21:24, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * someone is a good promoter! -- The Red Pen of Doom  21:31, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * You've just demonstrated why we distrust autobiographies as sources. That doesn't mean that Mastermusicgenius is a hoaxer too, though.  Xe could well be someone who just erroneously trusted faulty and unreliable sources, despite all of the guidelines on Wikipedia saying not to.  It's the autobiographical sources that are the hoaxes.  There's scant evidence to be found that anyone even compiles a list of "Top Ten Innovators of the Decade", I note.  Uncle G (talk) 00:13, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I even can't find who might the organization giving out "European Musician of the Year" since at least 1972 (as Blakely "won" twice at 14 and 15) and I also can't find him winning "Melody Maker Producer of the year", and for this claim Honored by President George Bush for "Outstanding Leadership in the Entertainment Industry"... a google search for that results in 1 hit and guess where that one is: . noclador (talk) 00:54, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * speedy delete Major WP:GNG Fail. Self written, unsourced self promotion, and a waste of user space. -- ‎Jetijonez  Fire!  22:44, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
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