Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Boulos


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Tiffany Trump. Consensus was to delete. But since he's mentioned on Tiffany's Trump's page and the delete !votes do concede that there are reliable secondary sources that cover him in that context, there's no reason why this shouldn't be redirected there per WP:ATD-R. If he becomes more prominent in the future, this could be recreated then. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 04:17, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Michael Boulos

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I question the notability of the subject. Particularly appears not to be established in this article.

Yes, he has been involved in business. But so have millions of people. What is the particular notability of his business involvement? What is the particular notability of the companies he heads? Neither of them have articles about them, so their significance needs to be established in this article, if they are indeed all that significant.

Yes he is an heir to a fortune, but not all children of rich people are individually notable. And, his father does not even have an independent article at this moment, only the company has an article. (perhaps his farther should have one, and that is moot to mention, though).

His only other claim to fame is his engagement to Tiffany Trump. Not all presidential in-laws (which he is not even yet, being only engaged to Trump's daughter) warrant articles. There are no articles for instance, about either of the men who have been wed to Luci Baines Johnson. Both Barbara Pierce Bush's and Jenna Bush Hager's husbands lack an article. Only two of Ronald Reagan's many children-in-law have articles. (David Sills has their own article because he was a politician and judge, and Paul Grilley because he was notable in the field of yoga). Etc., etc. SecretName101 (talk) 20:41, 20 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Could alternatively be blanked and redirected to either Tiffany Trump or Boulos Enterprises. SecretName101 (talk) 23:40, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

I think that the fact though that he shouldn't be compared to other Presidential in-laws he is different and the media has put his name out there more than those other in-laws and therefore has more recognition.

OSUBuckeyeFan (talk) 01:42, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Should he not? And is his name out there more? And how is he mentioned? Is he covered as independently notable, or just as "Tiffany Trump's partner"? I'd never seen him in the news myself, until she announced her engagement. I forgot, or had never heard, that she was no longer with that Ross Mechanic guy. He may be in the news at this immediate moment, but that is only covering the news of his engagement to Tiffany Trump, which again, does not make him independently notable, nor more notable than other children-in-laws of presidents. Heck, Henry Chase Hager and Patrick Nugent held their wedding receptions to president's children at the White House. Pretty sure that their weddings would have been equally (if not more) covered by the media at time. Is his engagement to Tiffany, arguably Trump's least-known child, all that exceptionally notable compared to all other engagements to president's children? Heck, in two weeks, I bet many people who read about it may have forgotten that Tiffany Trump is engaged. SecretName101 (talk) 17:39, 21 January 2021 (UTC)


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 * Delete being engaged to a child of a former president of the US is not a sign of notability. Nothing else about Boulos yet adds up to notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:55, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment I belive we once had an article on Jenna Bush Hager's husband. I distinctly remember reading it. It may even have been from when he was her fiance. That would have been back in 2008 or so, and back then we allowed a lot more stuff on Wikipedia than we do now (although we have current discussions about articles that have existed since 2004 and seem to never had an indepdent source). Wikipedia is not a reliable source, and consensus changes. For the record I have never been convinced we should have an article on Tiffany Trump.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:01, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * pinging you, as you are the page's primary contributor. Thought you should be aware that this deletion discussion is being had. SecretName101 (talk) 17:29, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I just realized I did not need to do this. They were also the page's creator. They were notified automatically when I created this deletion nomination. SecretName101 (talk) 17:41, 21 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete A search for reliable secondary sources covering him independently of Tiffany Trump turns up nothing, and notability is not something that reflects from person to person. Even if it did, he would still be non-notable as the subject of an independent article per WP:ONEEVENT - in this case, his engagement. Ganesha811 (talk) 23:55, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete As WP:ONEEVENT puts it, —ThorstenNY (talk) 05:27, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep he’s certainly famous for being Tiffany’s boyfriend for an extended period and that will continue in the future. He is notable in his own right for being groomed as a business executive for a multi-billion dollar company. This doesn’t feel like the examples from WP:ONEEVENT like the driver of a train that crashed or a member of the public who filmed police violence. -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 08:52, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep for the same reasons detailed by user Eraserhead1. --Midrashah (talk) 21:16, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * delete came here wanting to defend the article, but searches on Nexis Uni for ("Michael Boulos" AND nigerian) and ("Michael Boulos" AND heir) both turned up nothing pre-2018. So that makes me think there is no way to use sources to establish his independent notability. If you can't establish WP:N with WP:RS, he's a delete. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad (talk) 18:16, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - he is run of the mill as a business person, and has has not done anything notable. We are Wikipedia, not 15SecondsOfFamepedia, nor Conservapedia, nor a free web host, and in 2021 everybody knows that. Bearian (talk) 22:14, 25 January 2021 (UTC)


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