Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Chetcuti


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 00:25, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Michael Chetcuti

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Advertorialized WP:BLP of a businessman, not reliably sourced as the subject of enough media coverage to clear our notability standards for businesspeople. Of the 24 footnotes here, 14 are primary sources, two are blogs and two are offering stray verification of tangential facts about other things without mentioning the subject's name at all in conjunction with them, which means that fully 75 per cent of the sources are doing absolutely nothing at all in terms of establishing his notability -- and of the just six references that are WP:GNG-eligible coverage in real media, every last one of them is purely routine local coverage in the Detroit and/or Traverse City MI media markets, with no evidence being shown of any wider coverage. As always, a businessperson is not automatically entitled to have a biographical article just because he happens to be part-owner of a company that has a Wikipedia article about the company -- nothing stated here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to be the subject of more than just a small handful of purely local coverage in his own hometown media markets. Bearcat (talk) 17:21, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 17:21, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Michigan-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 17:21, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Keep Michael Chetcuti

Thank you for bringing up your concerns and reasons why you believe this article ought to be deleted. I have reduced the content and edited the wording about his businesses. The article contains information about Michael Chetcuti, his foundation The Michael Chetcuti Foundation, his conservation efforts in Michigan, and his work restoring an Art Deco Home in Miami Beach. Michael Chetcuti is more than an American businessmanWP:BLP from Detroit, MI. He is also an American Musician as lead singer in the band: The Chet Offensive, which has an album on music sharing platforms such as amazon and apple muisc and is recognized by Google with a Knowledge Panel. and an American Designer. American Expedition Vehicles and Quality Metalcraft Inc. are large businesses in the United States. These businesses distribute throughout the United States, employ hundreds of individuals, have contributed to major construction/design projects such as the MotorCity Casino Hotel, and supply auto-parts/kits to companies like General Motors and Jeep. The Michael Chetcuti Foundation is 501(c)(3)has also worked with companies such as General Motors to fundraise for victims of AIDS and has made significant contributions to Michigan trusts and charities. Connor —Preceding undated comment added 18:33, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Firstly, having an album on music sharing platforms such as Amazon and iTunes is not an automatic notability freebie for a musician either; to get a Wikipedia article for music, he would have to be shown to pass a notability criterion in WP:NMUSIC (such as having an actual charting hit single, winning a Grammy, undertaking a national tour that generates ongoing coverage, and on and so forth.) By the same token, being a designer is not an automatic notability freebie in the absence of reliably sourced evidence of his significance as a designer, and having a charitable foundation is not an automatic notability freebie in the absence of reliably sourced evidence of his significance as a philanthropist. The number of employees who work for his companies is not a notability freebie in the absence of reliable source coverage about him. And on and so forth: notability is not a factor of the things you say, it's a factor of how well the things you say can be referenced to a significant volume and depth and range of media coverage about him. Bearcat (talk) 18:49, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Bearcat,Thank you for your reply, the external links to the Chet Offensive music was not used as a source on the Wikipedia article, Michale Chetcuti nor was the google knowledge panel link about the band. I respect removing mention of the music from the article- I just wanted to convey that there is record label about the Chet Offensive. The entirety of the page ought not be deleted because there are many sources that verify notable achievements and work accomplished not simple mentions of the subject in everyday news.  As we go through this talk page I would value your help in trimming the article down rather than supporting to delete it in its entirety.  The Michael Chetcuti Foundation, Chetonka Preservation, and 1301 Lenox Art Deco Restoration sections are notable and sourced, those ought to be considered reasonable sections under Michael Chetcuti as those sources tell the story of the foundation, property easement and history, and the Miami beach art deco residence that has been restored.  There are other articles on Wikipedia that mention Michael Chetcuti's business and so he ought to have a page that has mention of these businesses linked to him while those texts should not be "advertorialized". It is not my intention to advertise for this individual and as a new editor to Wikipedia any input would be helpful. It is a matter of fine tuning the article rather than deleting it entirely.  I will continue to work on the article fine tuning it and searching for additional sources. I value your time on this discussion and wish to only improve the article, not delete it, as there are many other aspects aside from his business with American Expedition Vehicles and Quality Metalcraft Inc. to consider in support of an Article existing for Michael Chetcuti. I welcome a healthy discussion on the matter and value your input and experience.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Connorgrill (talk • contribs) 20:32, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  17:12, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete nauseating promotion that looks a lot like something a client would be paying for.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 02:37, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
 * The sections that were considered promotional by the Wikipedia community have been removed. Thank you for the feedback so the article may be improved as to meet the standard policy, not deleted.  Six references are WP:GNG-eligible coverage in real media.  The remaining sections meet the minimum requirements for keeping the article. connorgrill
 * , I left a message at your talk page about WP:Badgering. Everyone knows what your position is so you do not need to leave long paragraphs in response to each !voter.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 15:14, 20 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete Wildly promotional. Best, GPL93 (talk) 13:17, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
 * The sections that were considered promotional have been removed. Thank you for the feedback so the article may be improved not deleted. Thank you for the feedback, GPL93.connorgrill
 * GNG is definitely not established either, most of the remaining sources are not significant coverage of the subject himself (IE: a write up of a local charity golf tournament that he donated a sponsorship to isn’t about him, but the golf tournament). I did a WP:BEFORE search and didn’t find enough to suggest notability. GPL93 (talk) 14:14, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
 * The sections remaining meet the neutral point of view WP:NPOV as Advertorialized content has been removed. I value the community’s guidance on this and hope to better my Wikipedia writing skills. If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list. – WP:N based on the six sources meet the criteria of reliability in WP:GNG and so those should be enough to establish verification of information remaining. The article has been significantly reduced in information and I hope that anyone reading this would feel it appropriate to assist in keeping the article and make it better, not longer.  Thank you for your thoughts and assistance in improving Wikipedia. I value your time and critiques. — Preceding unsigned comment added by connorgrill (talk • contribs)


 * Comment I tried to clean up the article but there is a fairly persistent campaign to add inane details that I can only see as promotional. This is promotion.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 13:23, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak delete per WP:TNT. It would require a huge re-write to turn this resume into an article. Let's assume this guy is notable based on his invention/design of some car part. My concern is that we'd be overwhelmed with crappy articles about car parts makers and their small foundations. Bearian (talk) 20:34, 22 November 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.