Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Donnellan (reality television contestant)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was no consensus.  howch e  ng   {chat} 22:13, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Michael Donnellan (reality television contestant)
nn contestant on reality show, no other claim to fame &mdash;the preceding unsigned comment is by Hirudo (talk &bull; contribs) 19:37, 17 December 2005 (UTC) 
 * Delete. Simply being on reality shows does not give one notability. --Apostrophe 00:57, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge all appropriate information with Big Brother 6, then delete this article. B.Wind 03:06, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, FPBot (talk) 21:29, 13 March 2009 (UTC) Mindmatrix 21:19, 28 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep, entertainment figure of interest to large numbers of people. Kappa 21:22, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete it's all been said before: Wikipedia is not about current events, we have no need to scoop anybody. It will not be possible to tell until after the series is finished which, if any, of the contestants (none of whom appear to have been notable before the show) will continue to be notable after the show.  This is no different to aspiring politicians, who garner passionate interest right up until the moment they lose the election, after which nobody gives a rat's ass about them.  What is the problem with waiting for time's perspective?  Take the "reality" shows to Wikicities, where you can discuss them until you are blue in the face, and bring them back a year after they have finished if anybody can actually remember the show by then. Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 21:27, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * This person will always be of interest to wikipedia users who want to know what happened during and after Big Brother 6. Kappa 21:42, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep just as important as every other reality show contestant. -- JJay 21:52, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * And just as unimportant :-) So, what is Caroline O'Shea doing now? - Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 23:40, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I wish I knew. Possibly shacked up with Nick Bateman, but without wikipedia I can't be sure. One thing is clear, though, this encyclopedia will never be worth the paper it's printed on until we have bios of every reality show participant throughout history. Let's get a project or portal going on this pronto...-- JJay 00:20, 29 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete; do we really keep every reality show contestant now? Sdedeo (tips) 22:17, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep there seems to be a precedent set already so why pick this guy out? Jcuk 10:54, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Cruft does not justify more cruft. Thoise who want to know about the history of BB6 (God help them) can get it from the broadcasters, or from the article on BB6. We do not need articles for people whose verifiable information begins and ends with paticipation in a "reality" show.  The number of BB participants who are still in the press a year after is tiny; those who are not become unverifiable.  What's the rush?  We have absolutely no need to cover breaking stories, current events, blow-by-blow coverage or whatever.  This is not a newspaper, it's not Hello magazine, it's not a fansite, it's not a free webhost, it's an encyclopaedia.  Or at least most of it is, the bit that's not full of vacuous nonentities pretending to be stars because they managed to get on TV for five minutes once.  - Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 23:37, 28 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete. Non Notable.Obina 00:27, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Some reality show contestants become somewhat famous because of their appearance on the show -- see Omarosa -- or go on to fame outside the context of the show -- see Elisabeth Hasselbeck. No evidence has been provided that Michael Donnellan is noteworthy outside the context of Big Brother 6 or that his appearance on that show was sufficient to make him a celebrity. This article just details his activity on Big Brother 6, which is already sufficiently described in the show's article. --Metropolitan90 02:44, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. - NeoJustin 02:53, Devember 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is waaaaay below WP:BIO. If someone wants to merge this into Big Brother 6 or a list of BB 6 contestants, I wouldn't mind that, though. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 03:03, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Anyone competing in a reality show is already out of touch with reality. We should not feed these people's sick yearning for recognition. --Agamemnon2 10:12, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I just cant see any difference between this guy and Derek Laud, Orlaith McAllister, Kemal Shahin, Kieron Harvey, Vanessa Layton-McIntosh, Maxwell Ward, Saskia Howard-Clarke, Roberto Conte, Sam Heuston, Lesley Sanderson, Mary O'Leary, Nadia Almada, Michelle Bass, Victor Ebuwa, Ahmed Aghil, Marco Sabba, Vanessa Nimmo, Kathryn "Kitten" Pinder, Cameron Stout, Ray Shah, Kate Lawler, Jade Goody, Alison Hammond, Brian Dowling, Craig Phillips, Anna Nolan, Melanie Hill, Tom McDermott, Nick Bateman and Andrew Davidson. If they stay he should, if he goes they should go. Jcuk 10:54, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment Many of these are redirects. But, yes a few of these are strong candidates for AFD based on lack of notability (we may have the 15 minutes of fame problem here - and their 15 minutes is way up).Obina 19:23, 29 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film and TV-related deletions.
 * Keep for role on hit show followed by millions. --Rob 19:00, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep as a notable person. 12,000 Google hits for "Michael Donnellan big brother". As Thivierr points out, this show is watched by millions of people. This page does no harm, and is potentially useful for not only those millions, but anyone else looking for information on Michael Donnellan. However, I would also support a merge with link from Michael Donnellan (there should probably be a disambig sentence there already). Turnstep 14:18, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep Big Brother is one of the top rated summer programs and all of its stars are notable people. Jtrost 00:37, 5 January 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.