Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Errichetti


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Lack of secondary sources discussing the subject indicates lack of notability per our guidelines. Will salt. Drmies (talk) 20:32, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Michael Errichetti

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Fails WP:BIO, many sources but little actual substance, most sources either don't mention him or are press releases. Note: only source 1 to 11 are unique, 12 to 21 are the same sources used again.
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So that's two stories from highly specialized websites on one event. The three sources I can't fully access may have more, but this search doesn't give much confidence for this. Fram (talk) 10:11, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Speedy Delete - this page has been deleted a few times already and recreated by the same user. His only contributions are to this page (or talk pages). He's already been told to clean up the article and it's still a broken mess. Lukeno94 (talk) 10:25, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment: If it is deleted, an admin might want to salt the name so it cannot be re-added given that this is repeatedly re-added.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 12:18, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Michael Errichetti is considered one of the leading Real Estate investment bankers in the industry. He helped found the group at JP Morgan during a career there of 27 years. He was a leading advisor to notable Real Estate companies mentioned in the entry. He was a Board Member of NAREIT, the main industry organization for public real estate companies in the United States. It is a common practice in the United States business publications like the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times (and in London, the Financial Times) to mention only the firm advising the company in large transactions, not the individuals. However, articles like the one deleted (unfortunately, you must be a WSJ subscriber to access the full archived article "Errichetti to KBW", not just the headline of it's weekly article on important development in the industry entitled "Plots & Ploys"regarding Mr. Errichetti's joining KBW) do mention the deal volume and some of those transactions. Mr Errichetti also helped create the unsecured debt market for Real Estate companies which led to billions of dollars of debt issuance, and he is widely recognized for that but it is not written about per se. On the question of previous deleted entries, please let me explain. I looked to other Wikipedia entries for colleagues of Mr. Errichetti at JP Morgan and some of them include the language, almost exactly, of the entries listed in Business Week biographies on the web. So, initially I took the same approach, focusing on a much shorter entry without all the detail on the individual transactions, which resulted in the Wikipedia's deletions re copywrite issues (although it was not an exact copy and the information was all factual). Following that, I then decided to write a much more detailed account of his career, highlighting the major, public transactions that he was responsible for and which is known by the companies (and their CEO's) mentioned and the industry overall. Some of the articles from major publications are no longer archived, but I have printed copies of them but obviously could not use them. The leading M&A industry source (The Daily Deal) that often includes names of individuals on transactions is not available on the web. But again, in the US, it is common to reference major transactions attached to leading Investment Bankers in major business publications because the reporters at the time either speak to the company or reference the SEC filings that sometimes list the names of the participants in the Background section of the document. I hope this answers some of the issues raised in your commentary.Independentboardmember (talk) 16:04, 19 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete A history of deletion, person exists but I cannot see that he is notable in any way. § FreeRangeFrog 18:11, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

The history of deletion should be attributable to my lack of understanding of Wikipedia as a first time contributor and even some technical issues, rather than the implication that an issue exists, which I believe the previous contributor implies. In looking at the definition of Notable offered by Wikipedia, it would appear that Mr. Errichetti meets those requirements. It is a 27 year career performing at the highest level for JP Morgan, a leader in Investment Banking worldwide. The transactions noted are in some cases record transactions in the industry at the time of their completion, including largest cross border transactions in the Real Estate Industry. He led pioneering efforts in developing debt capital market products for Real Estate companies including unsecured bank loans and bonds, including the first ever Rate reset note. So, his notability is not temporary and is based on facts, supported by tangible noteable transactions for which he was responsible. Again, in my view, Mr. Errichetti warrants inclusion even in an abbreviated form, based on his positions, tenure, pioneering work and tangible results that can be verified and have been publicly.Independentboardmember (talk) 19:45, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete That Errichetti is an excellent businessman does not make him notable under Wikipedia guidelines.  He does not meet the criteria of WP:BASIC for biographies.  For Independentboardmember, look in this page's Talk for replies to your comments. DocTree (ʞlɐʇ·cont) Join WER 23:25, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:36, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

I know that experts in Wikepedia know this, but please allow me to copy below Wikipedia's definition of notability for People: Any biography Shortcut: WP:ANYBIO The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for one several times. The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in his or her specific field.[7]

The second point, in my opinion, is without question. Mr. Errichetti advised on the transactions that helped transform the public real estate industry. He also helped develop the primary vehicles in the debt capital markets that are now primarily used by the public industry to finance itself, running into the billions and billions of dollars. On the first point, I don't know if it helps that two of the transactions (Rodamco purchase of Urban and Rodamco hostile defense and then sale to Simon, Rouse and Westfield) were awarded Institutional Investor's Deal of the Year awards, which is the most notable award in that industry. Both contain quotes from Mr. Errichetti, but again, unfortunately could not access these articles on the web but have read printed versions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Independentboardmember (talk • contribs) 04:01, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * That Errichetti "advised" and "helped" does not establish notability. You need to identify multiple published secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject that state that Errichetti transformed the public real estate industry.  Published sources do not have to be available on-line.  They do have to be verifiable from an archive or public or university library.


 * Concerning the "Institutional Investor's Deal of the Year Award", what organization presents that award? Was it awarded to Errichetti as an individual?  Or to a company or group?  If not presented to him as an individual, that Errichetti is involved, mentioned or quoted does not help establish his notability.  The Nobel and Pulitzer Prizes and Academy Awards are accepted as "well-known and significant"; I suspect that the "Deal of the Year Award" may fail to meet the "well-known" criteria. DocTree (ʞlɐʇ·cont) Join WER 12:52, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.