Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Fitzgerald (Irish republican)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Ultimately, consensus here is for article retention. (Non-administrator closure.) NorthAmerica1000 06:56, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Michael Fitzgerald (Irish republican)

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Delete as non-notable (WP1E, GNG); also - only reflink cited is Cork Jail Memorial Souvenir (pamphlet), 1948, Cló na Laoí (The Lee Press), Cork, which is not RS; boilerplate hagiography. Quis separabit? 19:36, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete - sadly, many people died during The Troubles, and Wikipedia can't and shouldn't list all of them. Bearian (talk) 21:57, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
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 * Keep. Passes WP:notable and WP:GNG. Michael Fitzgerald was one of the Cork Ten arrested with Terence MacSwiney. I easily found two sources: New York Times, 13 November 1920, and Michael Collins, the Man Who Made Ireland, by Tim Coogan. I will rewrite the article and add these and other sources. SW3 5DL (talk) 23:43, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I'll be happy to review your work product but if being referenced in a Tim Pat Coogan publication instills notability than there are literally hundreds or more articles waiting to be written. I will need to see the degree to which he is mentioned in the New York Times article once you have added the links, but that also does not necessarily confer sufficient notability to merit an individual article, which is not to say Fitzgerald can't be part of a larger article. This is an encyclopaedia not a memorial site. Is the Cork Ten notable as an article? See the redlink for the apparent answer to that. Being arrested with a notable individual does not confer notability per se. If an article about the Ten were to be created, which I can see having a prima facie claim to notability, then Fitzgerald and other members should then become redirects to that general article. Again, this isn't a memorial site, so any salient info about Fitzgerald could be included in the MacSwiney article or an article about the Ten. Based on the text of the article as it exists now, he is no more notable than most other 20th-century paramilitaries. Quis separabit?  13:28, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Reviewed -- reflinks added but remains boiler plate hagiography, in my opinion, but I am sure others will have different opinions. Quis separabit?  12:58, 22 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, j⚛e deckertalk 16:50, 28 May 2014 (UTC)




 * Comment per notable and GNG. I improved the article and added WP:RS. SW3 5DL (talk) 17:15, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Quis separabit?  23:24, 28 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Weak keep. The sourcing is still slightly weak, but overall is adequate for notability. Similarly, there is a slight POV problem but nothing that can not be left to be improved by future editors. PWilkinson (talk) 17:39, 31 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep Notable enough person, important in the foundation of the IRA, an important organizaion. The sources are bad, but that is no arguement for deletion. Daniel.villar7 (talk) 15:43, 1 June 2014


 * Keep - In addition to the New York Times story of his death in the footnotes, Fitzgerald is covered at great length in the Peter Hart edited book, Rebel Cork's Fighting Story, 1916-21: Told by the Men who Made it. He is also covered in Hart's book, The IRA and Its Enemies: Violence and Community in Cork, 1916-1923. Passes GNG. Carrite (talk) 04:32, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
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