Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Flanagan (Jewish convert)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.   Wifione    .......  Leave a message  09:00, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Michael Flanagan (Jewish convert)

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No assertion of notability, essentially just a personal testimony. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:30, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. [tk]   XANDERLIPTAK  06:32, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - There is a previous AFD for this article that closed as no consensus. Articles for deletion/Michael Flanagan (former Minister)  GB  fan  06:45, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - Everything I find about him revolves around one event, his conversion from Baptist minister to orthodox Jew. The previous AFD closed as no consensus based on the one article is the Jewish week.   GB  fan  07:10, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. Even the article title is an implied admission that he is known for just one event. And conversion to another faith, even by a minister of religion, is neither unusual nor inherently notable. Jimmy Pitt   talk  13:08, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete If conversions made you notable, people would be changing religions all the time Vrivers (talk) 13:11, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - Unencyclopedic conversion story. This is nothing more than a brief anecdote in the biography of an otherwise unnotable individual. —Carrite, Sept. 25, 2010.
 * Delete - I changed religions a few years ago, can I have an article too? No? thought not. A minister's conversion away from his ministry's faith is interesting, but not really notable. Totnesmartin (talk) 18:38, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:13, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:13, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. The tone of this discussion thus far leaves much to be desired. It seems that in spite of this article surviving the AfD in January 2009 when it was deemed worthy of being retained, and as indicated in that AfD Articles for deletion/Michael Flanagan (former Minister), when the subject was rightly called a Minister, meaning a high-ranking priest in his previous religion, yet still-and-all he saw fit to leave his former faith and openly convert to Judaism. So this is about a WP:NOTABLE personality who "capped" his spiritual life by conversion to a rival faith, in this case Orthodox Judaism. This is no small matter in the annals of either Christianity or Judaism and it almost never happens and that is why it was so significant. See the very few names mentioned in Category:Converts to Judaism from Baptist denominations. Naturally, many Baptists and Christians automatically felt the need to cut him down to size, and as part of that his article was subjected to all manner of assaults. First he was "downgraded" from "Minister" to mere "convert" and then came the first AfD and now this second one, as well as a number of other attempts to rid WP of this article. It is a pity that the nominator has chosen this role of deletionist of such an important topic and personality in light of Jewish-Christian affairs and yes, spiritual confrontations. For example, there are strong efforts to keep articles about so-called unknown "rabbis" who went over to Christianity, lots of them at Category:Converts to Christianity from Judaism, but now this one in the other direction part of Category:Converts to Judaism from Christianity is facing not just deletion but ridicule. What a pity and a loss to WP openness and inclusiveness of valid topics and biographies. IZAK (talk) 04:47, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I do hope you're not accusing people in this debate of religious bias, because that's a bad direction to go. I've never been a Christian or a Jew so don't go including me in your conspiracy theory, thank you. Totnesmartin (talk) 10:34, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * There is no "conspiracy" just read the tone and smarminess of some of the comments on this page. If users wish to make serious comments that's fine, but making wise cracks about a serious subject, especially relating to change of religions, is uncalled for. By the way, how can anyone be assured that "religious bias" is not a factor when they are making a laughing stock of the subject matter as they vote? Even during, and especially during AfD the law and spirit of WP:NPOV must prevail! IZAK (talk) 04:12, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - The last AfD was from over a year and a half ago, and it was kept because the article was new and still needed work, and no consesus could be reached. Since then, this article has been mainly ignored and has not improved since then. The single source has remained alone and this individual has yet to do anything notable since changing his faith. Ishdarian&#124; lol wut 04:38, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
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