Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Francis Ward


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was consensus to keep. Johnleemk | Talk 12:50, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Michael Francis Ward
Fails google test --Dangherous 23:18, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. I am abstaining for now. The article itself clearly establishes notability alright, having held a seat in the Irish parliament is good enough for that. My worry is the verifiablility of this, because no sources have been cited, and I am having trouble finding any information on this. Sjakkalle (Check!)  07:18, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks to the sources I can now say keep. Sjakkalle (Check!)  08:28, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Apologies for my oversight, references have been added. Just to clarify, Ward's seat was not in the Irish parliament, but rather in the House of Commons of the United Kingdom Parliament at Westminster. Gustavus 15:28, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment - would it be possible for you to upload those texts to Wikisource? I was unable to access them from The Times website (not surprising because of their dates).  Furthermore, I wasn't able to retrieve lists of MPs from either the Parliament website or the History of Parliament website to confirm the information.  The Parliament website suggested that UK denizens may be able to retrieve historical lists, though. --Syrthiss 15:50, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
 * An online digital archive of the London Times from 1785 to 1985 is available via the Thomson Gale detabases (subscription required). My understanding it that uploading the articles themselves would be a breach of copyright. I do recall that there is a publication entitled "Who's Who of British Members of Parliament", which might be of use for verification purposes, but I don't know what periods it covers; the standard "Who's Who" starts, I think, sometime in the 1890's. I have to agree that the UK Parliament is quite poor in terms of the extent of the historical information it provides online. Gustavus 17:01, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. He is listed as an MP at . --  Dalbury ( Talk )  18:38, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
 * In light of the above link from Dalbury, I'll vote Keep. And thanks Gustavus for your comment above.  You might be able to upload that information depending on what the copyright laws are in the UK.  In the US, most material published before 1923 is considered public domain...but I'll add this link to the sources in any case to help verifiability. --Syrthiss 18:53, 30 November 2005 (UTC)


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