Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Gargiulo


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Most editors argue that Gargiulo meets WP:PERP due to widespread national coverage of the alleged crimes. (non-admin closure) —  Newslinger  talk   11:01, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Michael Gargiulo

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Per WP:PERP - "A living person accused of a crime is presumed not guilty unless and until the contrary is decided by a court of law. Editors must give serious consideration to not creating an article on an alleged perpetrator when no conviction is yet secured". Subject of the article is not otherwise notable, the article is borderline prejudicial. Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 03:04, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - but keep the article handy in the background; he's likely going to be convicted of multiple murders, so we can undelete it later on. Or just hide the article from public view for now. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 05:25, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 07:32, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 07:32, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 07:32, 31 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep per WP:PERP: "the execution of the crime is unusual—or has otherwise been considered noteworthy—such that it is a well-documented historic event. Generally, historic significance is indicated by sustained coverage of the event in reliable secondary sources which persists beyond contemporaneous news coverage and devotes significant attention to the individual's role." When a crime becomes sufficiently notorious, we keep it. Today's headline in Rolling Stone: Ashton Kutcher Testifies in Trial of Alleged Serial Killer Michael Gargiulo. E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:38, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Note': 100,000 pageviews yesterday.E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:47, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete quickly. Just one more crime. WP:Notnews. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 18:51, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Actually, muliple crimes. An accused serial killer. who has been in the news for a decade, drawn national attention, and whose trial is being discusses as having political impact in the debate over rescinding the death penalty.E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:22, 2 June 2019 (UTC)


 * A sample of the coverage, and note that this page was created in 2011, when Gargiulo first drew wide attention:
 * Washington Post 2019: A suspected serial killer called the ‘Hollywood Ripper’ is on trial. Ashton Kutcher is a witness.
 * CNN 2019: Trial of 'Hollywood Ripper' begins
 * New York Times 2019: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/09/us/california-death-penalty.html  in California, supporters of the death penalty argue that white men are charged with committing some of the most egregious crimes, including Michael Gargiulo, the Hollywood Ripper suspect, or Mr. DeAngelo, who was once a police officer.
 * Newsweek 2019: Who Is the Hollywood Ripper? Ashton Kutcher Shares Chilling Testimony in the Case Against Accused Killer Michael Gargiulo
 * CBS News 2012: Man charged with murder in cold case featured on "48 Hours Mystery"
 * LA Weekly 2010: "Chiller Killer" Michael Gargiulo Accused of Murdering Ashton Kutcher's Girlfriend Got Close as Their Helpful Repairman
 * Los Angeles Times 2011: Suspect in slaying of actor's girlfriend charged in Chicago death.E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:22, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Keep - the article is based on allegations as clearly stated and, thus, still achieves the minimum standard for the presumption of innocence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎Five10mommy (talk • contribs)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   18:02, 7 June 2019 (UTC) Keep or Merge - This guy was relevant in the news not that long ago, he's definitely a high profile case as with other serial killers. I also remember Ashton Kutcher being involved in his case, I can't remember the reason why. However because this person has not been convicted yet, this article could be merged to have the title Hollywood Ripper, but I do believe this individual will have signficane later on. There is already plenty of articles on him like the ones that user:E.M.Gregory listed. YatesTucker00090 (talk) 01:15, 13 June 2019 (UTC)YatesTucker00090  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   09:08, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
 * 2012 CBS News [Michael Gargiulo: The serial killer next door? "48 Hours Mystery" report helps Chicago detectives charge suspect in an 18-year-old cold case after new witnesses come forward
 * [[People Magazine] June 2019 'Hollywood Ripper' Suspect Allegedly Waited for 'Perfect Opportunity' to Kill Women
 * there has been a decade of INDEPTH, national news coverage.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:51, 18 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep, meets WP:GNG with sustained coverage from reliable sources, WP:PERP is covered as discussed above. Coolabahapple (talk) 23:43, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - Meets WP:GNG. Good sourcing, indepth coverage.BabbaQ (talk) 08:40, 23 June 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.