Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Ikoku


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. bd2412 T 22:56, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Michael Ikoku

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Local coverage, not notable enough for wikipedia. 2Joules (talk) 07:07, 11 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete Before now like i stated in the speedy delete of which i tagged and believed declined, This is just another self promotion page by someone related to subject or paid by subject to create a page. Sources provided to be "reliable sources" are not reliable. There's nothing In depth from a reliable source like Vanguard (Nigeria) or other similar sites citing or covering him. Edidiong (talk) 10:50, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep billionaire founder of numerous businesses and head of tourist board seems a high profile figure in Nigeria with coverage in reliable sources such as Encomium Magazine and other magazines and press already included in the article. Passes WP:GNG, thanksAtlantic306 (talk) 11:37, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * @User:Atlantic306 he is a former chairman. Which reliable sources mention him as a billionaire? Even if they did, being a billionaire is no claim to significance. If being an ex chairman of tourism board and wealth are his only claims, he might be a candidate for CSD. 2Joules (talk) 11:53, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * The Encomium magazine states billionaire, he has enough coverage for an article Atlantic306 (talk) 11:55, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Then the Encomium article goes against Forbes. Forbes does not recognize him as a billionaire. This casts even more doubt on the Encomium article and makes it even more unworthy as a source. Aside from puffery, there is marginal coverage. 2Joules (talk) 12:09, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Forbes gives billionaire list in dollars, Encomium Magazine is a notable Nigerian magazine that recognizes billionaires in naira. While Forbes is clearly the most credible for financial information on people, I find your comments overly critical of the magazine. HandsomeBoy (talk) 19:02, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Well billionaires in naira are even less worthy of inclusion. If the magazine is a local one, then it is even more worthless as a source. 2Joules (talk) 19:07, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * At the current exchange rate 1 billion naira is only about 2.8 million USD, that's far from being anywhere near a billionaire or notable.--Rusf10 (talk) 00:37, 19 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep The article is sources with many independent articles about the subject. That alone is enough reason. Whether he is a billionaire or not is irrelevant. I would dread to think this wikipedia had a policy where the wealth of someone made them more or less notable.Egaoblai (talk) 13:15, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * @User:Egaoblai there are no news articles about this subject, and no web articles from reliable sources either. Where are these independant articles located exactly? At least not in the newspapers. 2Joules (talk) 13:52, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Just look at the reference section and all the articles where the subject is even part of the article. I'm not sure why you're implying that only newspapers are allowed for sources here. And even still, there are both magazine and news media sources there like All Africa. Egaoblai (talk) 13:59, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * User:Egaoblai That is exactly why the article should be deleted. Trivial mentions do not count, being a part of an article is not enough. Although news is not the only reliable source, but having zero mentions in the news is a sure sign of being non-notable. 2Joules (talk) 14:04, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * How are they trivial mentions when the subject is literally the headline of the articles. Egaoblai (talk) 21:42, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't know anything about the reliability of these sources, but you can't call the coverage trivial mentions, and you can't call the coverage "local", unless you say it is local because it only covers Nigeria. Which only covers 923,768 km2 and 185 million people.  I guess USA Today is also "local" by that criteria.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 14:44, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete- his notability as a billionaire has been debunked (see above) and the article lacks reliable source coverage. The Encomium article is actually an interview, so its primary, the rest of the sources are even weaker.--Rusf10 (talk) 00:37, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is a tricky one, and I can see why people are !voting on both sides. There is coverage in sources, but these are dismissed as local, and that Michael/Mike/Myke Ikoku is only of local interest. But "local" in this case depends on a world view which sees Nigeria as a small community. However, Nigeria is the leading country in Africa, and is the seventh largest country in the world by population. We are troubled on Wikipedia by Systemic bias which leads us to see events and people and sources in the West as more reliable and important than those in Second or Third world countries. We do struggle with sources that are based in Africa and India, even though they may be comparable with Western sources. Ikoku is mentioned in a range of Nigerian publications in a familiar manner to suggest he is a notable figure there. One of his companies is a leading hotel listed on TripAdvisor. In terms of Nigeria he is notable. As Nigeria is not a small backward village, but a significant country with a significant population, he meets WP:BASIC. SilkTork (talk) 10:28, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 16:12, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - I believe that this individual has received sufficient cover in Nigerian sources to meet WP:GNG and WP:BIO. He is spoken of with great familiarity in the sources used in the article, and if he is known to the Nigerian populace, he must be notable. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:03, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete: does not meet WP:ANYBIO. Sourcing is in passing and / or WP:SPIP. Promo 'cruft that reads like an autobiography or COI-based writing. K.e.coffman (talk) 23:35, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Weak delete - I did a little cleanup and read the sources, and they don't seem very journalistic. I'm also not seeing any notability in the various businesses he started, of which there are several. The flagship hotel of his group doesn't look very impressive. I certainly don't want to contribute to anti-Nigerian bias, but there just doesn't seem to be enough to pass WP:GNG. TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  22:11, 27 June 2018 (UTC)


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