Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael J. Brooks


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Some of the participants to the discussion here (especially the many ones who have only a handful of edits yet) may be surprised at this "delete" close, given the large numbers of "keep" !votes. However, this discussion is not a vote, it's the strength of the arguments that counts, not the number. Going through the "keep" !votes (and ignoring the strong whiff of sock/meat-puppeting), only Citationsaurus attempted to make a policy-based argument, which, however, I find not convincing at all. All others only use arguments to avoid in deletion discussions and I have ignored them accordingly. That leaves the "delete" !votes by the nom, JBhunley, and Sportingflyer. Hence, the "delete" !votes carry the day. Randykitty (talk) 16:08, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Michael J. Brooks

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This person has not received substantial in-depth coverage in reliable sources as is required to meet WP:BIO. Note that Articles for deletion/The Michael Brooks Show closed as delete a few days ago. SmartSE (talk) 22:41, 11 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. Michael Brooks is a prominent figure in independent media. He is a daily contributor on the Majority Report, which is a YouTube show with over 220,000 subscribers. His writing has been featured in prominent outlets, such as The Baffler, Jacobin, and Al Jazeera. I struggle to understand why it’s not seen as worthwhile to document independent media figures.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.140.218.216 (talk) 21:29, 17 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. Umm, Michael Brooks is a notable media figure on the left with at least a thousand subscribers to his political podcast and The Majority Report which he co-hosts has been a prominent news source for the left for over a decade. Not sure why you're talking his page down - Gwennessy (talk) 20:44, 15 February 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gwennessy (talk • contribs) 20:39, 15 February 2018 (UTC) — Gwennessy (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Keep. I definitely think that Michael Brooks is a substantial figure and do not understand why this page is marked for deletion. Brooks has his own left politics podcast with over 1000 patrons and is a co-host of The Majority Report with Sam Seder which has a large following of over 200k subscribers and millions of views on YouTube, Michael is also a contributor to The Young Turks which has a massive following.96.93.9.75 (talk) 21:38, 15 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. I do not understand why this page should be deleted. It meets all notable standards, sources are listed, WP:GNG guidelines are met. This person is important enough to have an own wikipedia entry as he hosts his own youtube-show and is regular guest on other liveshows like Majority Report or the Young Turks (which has 7 Billion views). - 83.135.130.64 (talk) 21:47, 15 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. Subject is not required to have "substantial in-depth coverage in reliable sources" as he clearly meets the qualifications for WP:AUTHOR §3:
 * The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series) or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews.


 * The subject of this article is a published author, a contributor to the online magazine Salon, host of his own podcast The Michael Brooks Show, and a long time co-host of The Majority Report with Sam Seder, a 10+ year old show with over 222,000 subscribers and over 104,388,714 views on youtube.


 * These statistics also satisfy the qualifications of WP:ENT §3:


 * Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following.


 * This page meets the requirements for notability and should not be deleted. In the future any issues with this pages citations should be addressed in the talk section of the page. - Citationsaurus (talk) 22:25, 15 February 2018 (UTC) — Citationsaurus (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Keep. Michael Jamal Brooks is a notable media figure within the youtube political commentary community and has contributed to several publications with the Jacobin and Baffler among others. He has been the cohost of the Majority report for upwards of 5 years and has over 100 million views. Jamesonisbryce (talk) 00:44, 16 February 2018 (UTC) — Jamesonisbryce (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Keep. Michael Jamal Brooks is a successful journalist & online media figure, most notably for his work on The Majority Report, as well as his own YouTube program 'The Michael Brooks Show," and contributions to Salon.com, Al Jazeera, The Baffler, Jacobin, and Open Democracy. A person of intrigue and infamy, he's more than earned his right to a spot on this here site!   — Preceding unsigned comment added by BakedNebraska (talk • contribs) 22:27, 16 February 2018 (UTC)  — BakedNebraska (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Keep. Michael Jamal Brooks is a notable media figure within the youtube community, who provides smart political commentary. He definitely merits a page and the sources cited check out- Precariousfox (talk) 22:00, 16 February 2018 (UTC) — Precariousfox (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Keep. Michael J. Brooks is a noted political commentator and author. He has his own program with over 1,000 subscribers and has been the co-host of The Majority Report for 5 years, a show with over 100 million views. He has also appeared on the Young Turks. He is a co-author of Buddha's Playbook and has written outlets such as Al Jazeera, The Baffler, and Open Democracy. Empyreal808 (talk) 02:10, 17 February 2018 (UTC) — Empyreal808 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Note: See WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Citationsaurus -- RoySmith (talk) 01:03, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Also, Sockpuppet investigations/ Eppelsheimer -- RoySmith (talk) 03:58, 17 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Note: Malicious investigation request WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Citationsaurus filed by WikiVirusC determined that I am not a sock puppet account. - Citationsaurus (talk) 15:02, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
 * There was nothing malicious about it. The SPI I filed is located here. The afD for the podcast seemed suspicious to me, with you creating an account, blanking the afD, and then later voting keep. And then when this afD appeared, after no votes for four days, you voted keep along with 2 IPS, and two accounts with no other edits, and a temporary addition of another IP edits vote from the article creator, all within a span of 2 hours. This seemed even more suspicious and along with the prior suspicions I decided to file a SPI. There was no malice involved. And I wasn't the only one to think it was worth investigating as filed one as well with you as suspected master. Yes the checkuser determined unrelated, but for afD contributors here and the closing admin, please note the WP:SPAs that have voted here, who had no other activity outside of this deletion discussion or the prior one for podcast. WikiVirusC (talk) 15:33, 16 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment: I encourage you to familiarize yourself with the guidelines listed in "Please do not bite the newcomers" WP:DNB. I admit that I made mistakes when I first joined because I was ignorant of the system, and I'd like to remind you that assuming good faith is an essential part of Wikipedia WP:AGF - Citationsaurus (talk) 22:16, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I also suggest you WP:AGF. I assumed good faith on the first AfD. On the second occurrence I decided to follow through with filling a SPI. You then declaring that as malicious is in no way assuming good faith. WikiVirusC (talk) 22:40, 16 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep: I am the original author of the article and the article about The Michael Brooks Show itself that was previously deleted on 11th February 2018. The deleted article was then restored by an editor and posted to to a users's page  with the message on the deleting editor's talk page "Another plausible way I could have closed the AfD was as merge to Michael J. Brooks.".  This is now what I am attempting to do as well as adding additional secondary sources.  I am new to Wikipedia and am trying to write articles on a notable figure that was currently missing from Wikipedia that I believe warrants a page.  I have read through all the relevant guidelines and have spent some time since the Show page was deleted studying these again and I know this page meets them all including WP:N, WP:BIO, WP:AUTHOR, WP:BLP, WP:NPOV, WP:V and WP:NOT.  I am concerned with how I have been treated in this whole process as a new editor.  I have also read WP:BITE and I am far from convinced this has been followed by more senior editors taking part in this discussion.  In particular with reference to point 14 under 'how to avoid being a biter' - "Avoid deleting newly created articles, as inexperienced authors might still be working on them or trying to figure something out."  I am following all guidelines, yet I had one page taken down and not given the chance to improve it, or told how to improve it and have been labelled a sock puppet.  I do not think WP:AGF policy has been adhered to either.  The page as it stands has multiple sources and the host involved has notable coverage in the media.  If any more experienced editors would like to point to how exactly it needs to be improved to stay then I would be welcome of the help, instead of just trying to delete a perfectly valid page. Claireliontamer (talk) 22:35, 16 February 2018 (UTC) — Claireliontamer (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Keep: Michael J. Brooks is the co-host for the five-time Podcast Award winging (2012-2015,2017 category — politics) The Majority Report. The Majority Report is broadcasted live Monday through Friday 12 PM Eastern. For his work in broadcast news media, Brooks appears regularly as a political and cultural analyst on outlets including Huffpost Live, SirusXM, AlJazeera English, CCTV, The Young Turks and France 24. His writing has appeared in Al Monitor, Al Jazeera, the Washington Post, the Baffler, and Democracy Journal. On top of his continuing work for the Majority Report, Brooks founded The Michael Brooks Show, an interactive & innovative new media collective that combines online community building among subscribers with political analysis & theory debate/discussion. Brooks has interviewed many leading journalists & political analysts in his media career, such as Mark Ames, Alyona Minkovski, Corey Pein, Trita Parsi, Steven A. Cook, and Julia Ioffe. Brooks has also been a guest on a number of politics, culture, and news/commentary shows like Zero Squared with Douglas Lain, Mixed Mental Arts, Pineal Express, and News from Nowhere. eppelsheimer (talk) 03:34, 17 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. Michael J. Brooks is the cohost of an award winning podcast (The Majority Report), as well as the host of his own podcast (The Michael Brooks Show). I am unsure why this article would be deleted but it certainly should not be. Brooks' voice is incredibly important to many people in the realm of online news media, and deleting this article would greatly hinder him in his pursuit to share his opinions in a free marketplace of ideas. - 2605:A000:D1C6:4900:3412:AE29:517B:FD44 (talk) 18:37, 17 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep.This person is very notable and pumps out quality researched content on the daily. - 70.67.169.63 (talk) 19:17, 17 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. Michael J. Brooks is a prominent figure in independent US media. He is one of few media personalities who brings conversations with major political thinkers, writers and activists to a younger Youtube and podcasting audience. In addition to interviewing and maintaining ongoing conversations with these prominent voices (e.g. Adolph Reed Jr, Ronnie Kasrils, Bhaskar Sunkara) his show The Michael Brooks Show is one of few outlets in the United States to substantively engage with international news and history, which is not surprising in light of Brooks' history of publication in important journalistic outlets across the world (Al Jazeera, Al Monitor, Huffington Post, etc). This is someone with a unique perspective, substantial reach and growing popularity, and so meets Wikipedia's standards for inclusion. FourThree (talk) 19:28, 17 February 2018 (UTC) — FourThree (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Keep.His reach is significant on the left spectrum of politics and it's important that information about him stay on wiki as it follows every wiki protocol . - 184.148.128.150 (talk) 18:17, 17 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. Michael Brooks creates high quality content using high quality research. Definitly a source i trust. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.199.35.44 (talk) 20:08, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Although it might seem like keep is winning by an overwhelming majority, almost all of these !votes are from suspected sockpuppet accounts. Please remain cautious when closing this discussion after it's run its course.
 * Keep. Having looked through the numerous sources on this page, I can only conclude that there is sufficient amount of coverage from various sources to justify Michael J. Brooks as both a notable media figure, in addition to his long time contribution to notable shows like The Majority Report with Sam Seder and the Young Turks. - Draagonslayer19 (talk) 00:07, 18 February 2018 (UTC) — FourThree (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jdcomix (talk) 19:46, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Not enough coverage in independent, reliable sources to verify or sustian article. Fails Wikipedia's general notability guidelines, WP:AUTHOR and WP:ENT. As near as I can see the material in arguably Everything else consists of blogs, Twiter and even some from Redit. The large number of apparent 'puppets' makes me think this article is the subject of a coordinated campaign and likely undisclosed paid editing.  Jbh  Talk  20:10, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I went through the article and removed the obvious bad refs - Twitter, Redit, linkspam of his own YouTube show and his Patron account. The first source I looked at after that was to a poster with his name on it. I am not going to continue through the sources - most of the others look like they are his reporting or links to his contributor page at some mainstream press organizations. Nothing that would convince me there is any RS significant coverage there. Jbh  Talk  20:52, 18 February 2018 (UTC)


 * I meant to note this earlier, but due to the obvious SOCK/MEAT situation, I have semi-protected this page. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:00, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete did some searching, and it's hard to find any significant independent coverage. Doesn't help that a few Michael J. Brooks exist, but he's failed to become even the most notable Michael J. Brooks apart from the wikipedia page. SportingFlyer (talk) 07:48, 19 February 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.