Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Jackson's religion (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to Michael Jackson. If there is nothing valid to merge, the article ought to be redirected. NW ( Talk ) 02:31, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Michael Jackson's religion
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This page was previously nominated for deletion and was closed as "merge to Michael Jackson". The information in the article, however, is sourced speculation and I feel it should not be merged to Michael Jackson, a featured article. What is known of Jackson's beliefs (that he is a former Jehovah's Witness) is already in the article. It would be ridiculous to fill the Michael Jackson with the remainder of sourced speculation in this religion article: ''his 2005 bodyguards were from the Nation of Islam, he might have been to. His brother was a Muslim, perhaps Michael was to. Lionel Ritchie sang a song with Jesus in it, maybe this indicates that Michael was a Christian.'' That is the basic flow of this article currently up for deletion. Jackson's true beliefs at the time of his death may never be known, as he didn't speak about them.  Pyrrhus  16 ''' 12:32, 8 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Merge per previous AFD. Wikipedia's purpose is not to determine fact, only reflect  what is published.  If there is a perspective that is missing and is referencable, it should be added but this article should be merged into the main article RadioFan (talk) 13:48, 8 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep [1]. What User:Pyrrhus16 has in quotation marks is not a quote from the actual article. [2]. The article "Michael Jackson's religion" goes beyond the approach of simply stating that he was a former Jehovah's witness. Instead, it discusses and addresses the various rumours concerning what his beliefs were. The article uses reliable sources, such as statements from key individuals, to demonstrate the falsity of those tabloid/internet rumours. [3]. Michael Jackson's entire life is of interest to the public. His life and times influenced his music. I think the article should remain a standalone article for these reasons, and the fact that the main article on Michael Jackson is already long. The article should be edited and wikified but not randomly removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robnow (talk • contribs) 14:56, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * comment I've changed my view to *Partial Merger. I agree with User: Metropolitan90, User: RadioFan and User: Mercurywoodrose. The main article has said that he was a Jehovah's Witness but left after '87. Perhaps we could add something like: nothing definitive can be said about his post '87 beliefs as he rarely spoke about them and never publicized his beliefs. There is only tabloid based rumour. Robnow —Preceding undated comment added 08:16, 10 November 2009 (UTC).


 * Delete The consensus a month ago had been to merge this back to the article about Michael Jackson. I understand that the article's author would have preferred that the outcome of that discussion would have turned out as "keep", but if merging it is not an acceptable compromise, then it will disappear at the end of the reasonable period for merger, per consensus.  Mandsford (talk) 16:18, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Slight merge per nom and protect redirect. Jackson did not publicly discuss his religious beliefs during the last 20 or so years of his life, and it is unlikely that any further definitive information about his religious beliefs during that period will appear. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 16:22, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * comment Metropolitan90 puts it far better than I.--RadioFan (talk) 16:38, 8 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Merge since michael did not make a point of elaborating on his religious beliefs, and since whatever they were didnt seem to be a significant part of his notability, having a separate article on it, even if it was NOT mostly speculation, would not make sense to me. There is no reason not to mention some of the rumors in the main article, as it is significant that he DIDNT publicize his beliefs, and thus was notable for that fact (probably related to his background as a JH,, and his cultural background, where people would want to know, esp. as he was a role model.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 19:10, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Michael Jackson. Jackson did not use his celebrity to talk about religion, and whatever controversies may have come from his personal beliefs are better served in his biographical article. Warrah (talk) 21:12, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge anything properly in the main article. Collect (talk) 12:29, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.