Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Knost


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The result was keep. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:15, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Michael Knost

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Semi-advertorial WP:BLP of a writer who has the potential to pass WP:AUTHOR, but completely fails to properly source the fact: very nearly right across the board, the sourcing here is almost entirely to primary sources like his own publisher, with the few references that even approach reliability not being numerous enough to satisfy WP:GNG. This was rejected twice at AFC for being inadequately sourced, following which the creator arrogated herself the right to bypass AFC moving the page directly into mainspace, without making any substantive changes or resubmitting it for a third review through the proper AFC process. Either delete, or move back to draftspace. Bearcat (talk) 23:14, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. NewYorkActuary (talk) 03:46, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of West Virginia-related deletion discussions. NewYorkActuary (talk) 03:46, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

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 * Keep - the interview by Tor Books, (parent co. is Macmillan), author of books that have received widespread attention, has received notable awards. Atsme 📞📧 01:08, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Interviews do not assist in getting the person over WP:GNG — they're acceptable for some supplementary confirmation of facts after GNG has already been passed by independent sourcing, but they cannot be the GNG as they represent the subject talking about himself. And you say his books have received widespread attention, but there's no reliable sourcing here to verify that — and you say he's won notable awards, but for an award to be notable enough to get its winners past WP:AUTHOR it has to be one that gets covered by the media as news, and again there's no reliable sourcing here to demonstrate that this one meets that condition. A literary award does not give its winners a free AUTHOR pass if the win can be sourced only to the award's own self-published website about itself. Bearcat (talk) 16:50, 24 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment, WP:ANYBIO is met when "1.The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for one several times.". isn't the Bram Stoker Award such an award?, SFADB lists his nominations/wins here Coolabahapple (talk) 05:16, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
 * ANYBIO is met when reliable sources (i.e. media) are covering the awards that the person is winning; it is not met if the award can be sourced only to its own self-published website about itself. For an award to be notable enough to get its winners over ANYBIO, that award has to be one that the media consider important enough to cover the award announcements. If media sources could be added in which "Michael Knost wins Bram Stoker Award" was being treated as a news story, then that would get him over ANYBIO; if the award is so little-covered that you have to rely on primary sources and directory entries to prove that he won it, because RS coverage doesn't exist, then it doesn't count toward ANYBIO. The award's RSability, or lack thereof, is how we determine whether that award is notable enough to give its winners a valid notability pass or not. Bearcat (talk) 21:53, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
 * A reasonable concern, however There is extensive news coverage of this award, mostly in the form of (Caitlin Kiernan's "Drowning Girl" wins 2013 Bram Stoker Award, Boston Globe [Boston, Mass] 14 July 2013: N.15.) I added an article of this type to the Award page, it briefly describes the  Award in the context of this writer's winning of it.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:25, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

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 * Comment, ISFDB also lists Knost's awards here, and lists a couple of reviews, in Black Static, and The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, there is also a small review in Midwest Book Review of Writers Workshop of Horror - "Although the principle focus is on writing horror stories, the gamut of useable information provided is just as applicable to all other genres including romance, westerns, mysteries, science fiction, general fiction, and even biographies. The "Writers Workshop Of Horror" is a recommended addition to the professional reference collections of all dedicated authors and small press publishers.", there are also reviews by Dark Scribe Magazine, of Legends of the Mountain State - "It is rare to find an anthology where every story in the collection is not only well-written, but also compelling. Legends of the Mountain State is one of the rare cases where every story delivers on both counts. .. Those who are unfamiliar with West Virginia may come away from reading this collection wondering which of our states can really call themselves the “most haunted.” West Virginia may now be a contender for that title.", Legends of the Mountain State 2: More Ghostly Tales for the State of West Virginia - "The surprisingly rich depths of Mountain State folklore are again expertly mined .. As in the first volume, editor Knost does a commendable job balancing the terror and tenderness.", Writers Workshop of Horror - " Michael Knost’s Writers Workshop of Horror is one of those real how-to books .. However, when your ass is in the chair, and your fingers are on the keys, it doesn’t hurt to have few good manuals and resources a reach away. Writers Workshop of Horror is destined to be one of those invaluable resources.". Coolabahapple (talk) 08:32, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Just added a 2010 profile form a regional daily, it was an interview prompted by winning an award, it gives his actual name - Michael Knost is his pename. A fair amount of coverage of him (as a writer, prize winner,) exists in the form of a paragraph or two in articles about book festivals and such. Mostly, keep on the grounds that, substantive sales numbers, press attention to the  books, and the prizes prizes carry him well over the bar at WP:AUTHORS.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:09, 5 August 2016 (UTC)


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