Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Mamas


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Besides one editor's support for a merge, all other policy-based arguments support deletion. Drmies (talk) 05:12, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Michael Mamas

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This person is non-notable, there are not any notable sources in the article and 95% of the sources are self created. The article was created by a now blocked, single purpose, IP whose only edits were to create articles on Michael Mamas and his organizations. — Keithbob • Talk  • 20:28, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2018 September 22.  —cyberbot I   Talk to my owner :Online 20:42, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete: Not enough evidence in my view for significant notability. Promotional-style article. Kind Tennis Fan (talk) 23:42, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Do Not Delete: TV Asia owner Gowri Goli posted on Youtube his Television broadcasts about Michael Mamas and Mount Soma on his TV Asia Television network, which certainly is notability. There is no copyright problem, because Goli himself posted his broadcasts on Youtube. See them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAEZvqCk29g and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBO15Wc_HTc  Also, search Michael Mamas Huffington Post to see that Mamas writes for the Huffington Post, a  major publication certainly very notable, as well as other publications cited in  Mamas' Wikipedia article. Also, Mamas is the Founder of the internationally notable Mount Soma. Mamas' books are also carried by Barnes and Noble and Amazon.  Do not delete please.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.201.190.53 (talk) 04:44, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
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Joyannajah (talk) 19:49, 24 September 2018 (UTC) — Joyannajah (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. - '''He wrote 47 articles for the Huffington Post! That is notability.''' 47.201.190.53 (talk) 12:58, 25 September 2018 (UTC) - Mamas has been repeatedly featured  on worldwide television by  TV Asia.47.201.190.53 (talk) 13:34, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Do Not Delete: I manage the Mount Soma Visitor Center, and I know Michael Mamas to be a notable person.  Mount Soma is a mountain community, and meditation retreat center with Vedic Temple, founded by Michael Mamas. Every year, tens of thousands of people visit Mount Soma, and thousands of people from many states and a few different countries request to meet him in person.  Most years he is able to meet with several hundred of them. This includes meeting with busloads of visitors traveling great distances, and classes of students from local schools.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dehmke (talk • contribs) 16:27, 24 September 2018 (UTC)  — Dehmke (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Do Not Delete: I volunteer for the Center of Rational Spirituality. I think it is worth mentioning that though Michael Mamas has been teaching and writing for over 35 years, his overall focus has been on his classes, programs, and humanitarian projects (such as building Mount Soma), rather than getting published or interviewed, or gaining widespread recognition. He frequently receives requests for interviews by visitors to Mount Soma, and most often turns them down. Still, there are a number of interviews and featured lectures (listed in references below   ) and third-party publications that may help illustrate his notability:
 * 1) 41 articles published on Entrepreneur.com (2015-2017) as a Guest Writer.
 * 2) 12 articles published on ElephantJournal.com (2015-2017).
 * 3) 47 articles published on HuffingtonPost.com (2015-2017).
 * Do Not Delete:I have studied with Michael Mamas for 20 years now and have traveled from Texas so study with him at the community of Mount Soma in North Carolina, in San Francisco and San Diego. He has an international following as some of his blog articles have been translated and published in German (my original language) and Chinese. In my opinion, there is no comparable teacher of meditation and enlightenment techniques living today. Even when I reread one of his many published books, the living wisdom contained therein always strikes me as new and fresh. You would be doing the world a disservice by deleting this entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chuckles1957 (talk • contribs) 01:36, 25 September 2018 (UTC)  — Chuckles1957 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Do Not Delete Michael Mamas started The School for Enlightenment and Healing 25 years ago. Since that time, he founded the nonprofit, The Center of Rational Spirituality, as well as two additional nonprofits. I have been a student of Michael Mamas for over 19 years and there were six of us who traveled from Fairbanks, Alaska to California as well as North Carolina to take classes and participate in meditation retreats where he was teaching. I was there when Michael Mamas, along with his founders, purchased a 448-acre piece of property and with his vision and drive, turned it into a viable, vibrant spiritual community that many travel long distances to visit. I watched as the community that started with one home and a Visitor Center on dirt roads, now has the very popular Sri Somesvara Temple, a Student Union, visitor housing and parking, four parks and various hiking trails. And this is just one of Michael Mamas’s notable accomplishments which he should continue to be recognized for. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CLHerbi (talk • contribs) 04:04, 25 September 2018 (UTC) — CLHerbi (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Do Not Delete:I first heard Michael Mamas speak in 2009. I was so inspired by the talk that I have since been attending his classes, and retreats. I live in Oregon and travel to both San Francisco and Clyde, North Carolina to attend the classes. Michael Mamas is a profound teacher whose contribution to helping others is endless. He has volunteered so much of his time via articles, books, lectures, and videos. His wisdom goes beyond notable and at the very least, he deserves an entry for people to discover all that he has accomplished. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cindyinbend (talk • contribs) 04:14, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails to meet general notability guidelines and a Google News search only turned up one article, thereby failing WP:SIGCOV. The coverage is simply not enough, despite the outpours of support from all these SPA accounts. Deletion discussion are not votes, and there simply isn't enough encyclopedic content for the subject to warrant his own article. Rosalina2427  (talk to me) 23:21, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Do Not Delete:Wikipedia has notability guidelines, but that should not cause less popular but more highly evolved spiritual teachers to be hidden from view. In my personal experience, Michael Mamas is up there with notable teachers such as Joko Beck, Bodhin Kjolhede, and Mata Amritanandamayi but has a better ability to simultaneously demystify, and bring the consciousness of those around him toward, the transcendent. This is why I count myself as part of his devoted following.Clifliu (talk) 04:21, 25 September 2018 (UTC) — Clifliu (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Do Not DeleteDr Michael Mamas is a world renowned spiritual teacher who has authored many books and has had numerous articles published on Huffington Post, Entrepreneur, and Elephant Journal. He has been featured on national televised broadcasts in India. He is the founder of the Center for Rational Spirituality, and has established the Mount Soma spiritual community. Mount Soma is a premier destination for those of the Hindu religion, and hosts an enormous number of visitors from all over the world. It is a thriving community dedicated to fostering an ideal environment for spiritual growth. Dr Michael Mamas had one of the most sought after healing practices in the United States, which at that time was booked out with a three year waiting list. Once he turned his attention towards passing on his knowledge, Dr Michael Mamas was considered as one of the top two hands on healing teachers in the United States. I believe that these qualifications, and considering his impact in the fields of healing and spirituality, more than justify a wikipedia page dedicated to Dr Michael Mamas.Geoff-El (talk) 23:43, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

Michal Mamas is a notable person. In the mid 1990's I became a student of his. He was one of the top 2 teachers of hands on healing. I've taken classes with him in NY, CA, RI, and Texas. Since then I have been studying spirituality and meditation with him at Mount Soma in Clyde, NC. A spiritual community he began.He built Sri Somevesara at Mount Soma. Thousands of Indians travel each year to visit and picnic while enjoying the peace and serenity of mount Soma. Michael Mamas has written books about Hands on healing, spirituality, enlightenment and relationship. His articles have been published in the Huffington Post, Entrepreneur, and the Elephant Journal. I am still a student of his and never tire of the way he works with his students. He is truly a notable person. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.203.205.115 (talk) 13:15, 26 September 2018 (UTC) '''He writes extensively for the Huffington Post. He has been repeatedly featured on worldwide television by TV Asia, as well as WEDU PBS Television. That is notability by any normal person's definition.''' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.201.190.53 (talk) 14:26, 26 September 2018 (UTC) Michael Mamas has dedicated his whole life to attaining truth and shares that knowledge constantly though his numerous books, classes, blogs and Mount Soma. Many popular teachings come and go, few will last the test of time. May we all continue to embrace and celebrate those precious teachings that for sure will last the test of time. Michael Mamas teachings are timeless.  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Some claims of notability have been made by IP users but I am not convinced enough to close this. Giving it some more time.
 * Do Not Delete: I believe Michael Mamas meets the notability requirements necessary to maintain a page here. He is the founder of Mount Soma and Sri Somesvara Temple, of which he has been interviewed about both locally in North Carolina on PBS and internationally in India . He has also been featured in renowned Vedic astrologer Sanjay Rath's publication Jyotish Digest . Epietryk (talk) 02:24, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
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 * DO NOT DELETEIn my view, Michael Mamas is a notable person. He has spent the last 25 years teaching and developing a community that is unique. One dedicated to a grand vision of global peace, understanding and harmony. He has lectured around the country and authored several books. I believe his teaching and guidance hold promise for a better life for many people and that the public would be better served if his work was more widely known. The public is deserving of at least being aware of him and his work. I have studied with Mr. Mamas since 1994 and visit his community regularly. 64.223.13.39 (talk) 14:09, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
 * DO NOT DELETEI have been a student of Michael Mamas for 10 years, and he provides a profound level of teaching and knowledge that is just not available everywhere. The world is in great need of his rare teachings and his relevance is continuing to expand, and will lead to empowering contributions to all of humanity. No matter the field of endeavor, popularity does not equal relevance. For example, the greatest musicians of our time, who embodied music and soulfully shared their craft have far less searches and views than the new popular band, however have had far more of an impact on music as a whole.
 * DO NOT DELETE I have studied with Michael Mamas for 17 years. The incredible things he has taught has changed my life. The pure healing coming from words and hands on healing have released the pain in the muscles in my body. From his classes my attitude towards life has changed to the point, people and customers tell me I am much kinder person.   The school at Mt Soma has people from all over the world attending classes.   The meditation hall's atmosphere promotes quiet and deep  meditation.  The student union building and cafeteria allow students to attend classes and allows great student interaction.  I have read 6 of his books and have found the Huffington Post and Elephant Journal blogs interesting, helpful and different perspective on current issues.   I have traveled to 3 different CA and N. Carolina locations to listen to his talks.  This man in an incredible speaker and healer.  Michael Mamas has dedicated his life to helping others and to healing our planet.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.189.115.13 (talk) 00:35, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Tone 09:51, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment - When this discussion is closed, it really should be archived as the most obvious example of canvassing ever. Juxlos (talk) 20:07, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Do we have some Wikipedia namespace page for stuff like this? Vermont (talk) 01:15, 30 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete Though this is a forgone conclusion as there are no independent sources about the subject. Valeince (talk) 21:41, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as failing WP:GNG and WP:NAUTHOR. The PBS coverage that has been mentioned is a weekly program on local tourist attractions produced by a local public television affiliate; the particular episode has a segment on Mount Soma in between discussion of The Hen and the Hog Restaurant and the French Broad Chocolate Lounge (note the redlinks), which barely contributes to the notability of Mount Soma, let alone Michael Mamas. Ditto for the TV Asia segments. The subject of the New Indian Express article on "Vedic Disneyland" is again Mount Soma, and worse, it is essentially a republished press-release. None of the other sources mentioned (Jyotish Digest, Awareness Magazine, web-forums etc) qualify as reliable sources.
 * As far as consideration as a author goes, the books are published by really obscure publishers (likely self-published), hardly stocked by libraries, and I didn't find any reviews in reliable media. Abecedare (talk) 22:26, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Not notable. Vermont (talk) 01:13, 30 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Mount Soma which seems to meet the notability guidelines. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 03:58, 30 September 2018 (UTC)


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