Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Murray (rock musician)


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The result was   merge to The Soft Drugs.  MBisanz  talk 00:48, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Michael Murray (rock musician)

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Very little content, dodgy notability - at most should be incorporated into The Soft Drugs article, at least until more information is available. Colds7ream (talk) 12:55, 29 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Merge and redirect to The Soft Drugs. If the info on him is expanded with reliable soruces on notable stuff, then he can be unmerged as necessary. As it stands, it fails WP:MUSICBIO. --Enric Naval (talk) 15:55, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

It does not fail WP:MUSICBIO. It satisfied criteria #1 with multiple reliable sources. It does not pass by a lot, but it satisfies the standard. That is the measure. Beyond that we are in to each individual's belief of how many standards should be met and to what degree, but that defeats the point of having standards. It meets the standard. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jackstevens479 (talk • contribs) 17:47, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I think it should be merged with The Soft Drugs - I've tried to find more info on the net to provide more references, but there's just nothing out there. On the point of reliable sourced references, one of the links is to a foreign-language website, is this appropriate for english language wikipedia? (Fair enough if thats OK, I'm not sure though). For such a small article, it'd be better served with a merge, then if/when the subject becomes more notable, or more sources found, then it can be unmerged.... Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 20:10, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

The only problem is, it really doesn't have much to do with the Soft Drugs. Yes, he was in the final lineup, and that is an interesting connection. But his music does not belong under a Soft Drugs umbrella. His discography both precedes and exceeds the life of the Soft Drugs. As far as the foreign language review, I haven't seen anything suggesting that language of a source is a factor to be considered.

Hmmm, but it should at least say in the references that the reference isn't in english? Especially considering it's one of only two references. And if he doesn't have much to do with Soft Drugs, then it might just mean that he isn't notable enough. A four year stint in a pub doesn't make anyone notable I'm afraid Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 22:24, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I think you misunderstood. He has a lot to do with the Soft Drugs. But his career outside of the Soft Drugs is longer and more prolific, though it can be agreed it has achieved less notoriety. I'm fine with noting that the reference is in Dutch. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jackstevens479 (talk • contribs) 23:43, 31 March 2009 (UTC) 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 00:06, 3 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep and start a merge discussion on the talk page. Per WP:PRESERVE the information on this page should not be deleted; the question of where it is best to present it can be decided without an AFD discussion. JulesH (talk) 11:39, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete 2 CD reviews does not meet WP:MUSIC. Nothing worth merging in Soft Drugs, which is of dubious notability itself. TheJazzDalek (talk) 12:31, 3 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.