Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Oates Palmer


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The result was   delete absent reliable sourcing this article does not demonstrate notability. Spartaz Humbug! 19:38, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Michael Oates Palmer

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Subject fails Notability, as there is little to no coverage, let alone significant coverage.  DRosenbach  ( Talk 03:58, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


 * DELETE Not sure why this entry is notable.  Bonzaibandit (talk) 05:01, 1 September 2008 (UTC)Bonzaibandit — Bonzaibandit (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Keep - As co-producer of a TV show and writer for a notable TV show. I have added some sources and am sure there are more to be found.  TN ‑ X - Man  13:48, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * That's the whole point -- the co-producer/writer for a notable show is not automatically notable -- he or she must demonstrate notability separate and distinct from the show itself being notable, or they are merely entitled to a mention within that article. It's like the Park East Synagogue being notable, but Evan Hoffman, the assistant rabbi, not being notable.  He is indeed mentioned within the article, but does not merit an article himself based solely on that criterion.  DRosenbach  ( Talk 19:40, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I understand your point. However, I feel the two claims, taken together, do push him just past the notability threshold. If the consensus does not support keeping the article, I would like to suggest redirecting the article to either the Shark (TV show) article or the West Wing article. Cheers!  TN ‑ X - Man  19:57, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * If it pushes him past the notability threshhold, it pushes every producer and writer, and why not director and editor and manager for that matter, of every successful show. Then we make articles for every producer, writer, director and every other top job on every successful motion picture.  We'd have a lot of articles about people no one has ever heard of, the majority of which will probably remain that way for the rest of their career and even after they are dead.  This is similar to sports -- just because someone plays right wing for the Timberwolves doesn't make him notable if no one even knows his name.  If I were you, I'd modify my keep vote to a merge/redirect vote.  DRosenbach  ( Talk 21:52, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, hang on a second. I don't mean to imply that every single person that works on a TV show is notable. That would open the door to things I'd rather not think about. :-) I just feel that this person, as both a writer and producer, meets the notability criteria. I'm sorry if I wasn't clear earlier.  TN ‑ X - Man  22:19, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * If you make his article look like that of Shawn Ryan or Shonda Rimes, I don't see any reason why it can't remain. But one citation -- and it being from IMDb (!!!) -- is quite ridiculous.  If we go by IMDb, there would be articles for the guy who played Princess Vespa's stunt double on Spaceballs and the 6th captive standing to the left of Mark Wahlberg in Planet of the Apes.  All the best!  DRosenbach  ( Talk 21:07, 5 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep - very stubby but a significant claim to notability. Needs Reliable Sources, but no doubt that they can be found --T-rex 15:21, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Please demonstrate this alleged "significant claim to notability." Everything requires reliable sources, but the lack of reliable sources does not indicate that there are reliable sources that are merely absent -- this guy just isn't notable (and I possess doubt).  DRosenbach  ( Talk 19:40, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong delete -- The guy co-produced a couple of episodes of the show, not the show. His only claim to fame is a famous relative, but that should be addressed on the Schrum page, not as its own entry.  Classic vanity page.  Santura (talk) 15:56, 1 September 2008 (UTC)Santura — Santura (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  21:26, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Sayonara Minimal hits in mainstream media. One interview does not Elia Kazan make.DeGawl (talk) 22:18, 5 September 2008 (UTC)


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