Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Ohnesorge


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Keep. UltraExactZZ Claims~ Evidence 14:57, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Michael Ohnesorge

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Footballer who fails WP:ATHLETE as he has never played a game in a fully pro league. Was originally prodded, but removed without explanation by an IP. пﮟოьεԻ  5  7  22:06, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  22:06, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 16:15, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. He may fail WP:ATHLETE since he hasn't played for Clyde yet (he has only transferred ten days ago). He passes WP:BIO though due to significant coverage in reliable sources BBC dailyrecord theherald dailyrecord. --Amalthea (talk) 13:42, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. None of those sources are covering extensively in detail the subject, so they cannot be considered for WP:BIO. --Angelo (talk) 10:39, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 *  Weak Keep. Seems to have had lots of recent media coverage which is indicative that he is a significant part of Clyde's first team. There's little point in deleting articles that will very likely be subject to a DRV in 3 days when the new season starts. Nfitz (talk) 17:06, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The season has already started in Scotland, and he wasn't even a sub for the first game. I would say that we can't keep waiting till he actually plays. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  21:55, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * He was scheduled to play, but they had to pull him from the line-up at the last minute because of clearance issues according to . Surely that goes to this being a Keep (rather than a Week Keep). The first actualy league game is on the weekend, this was a cup game against a Division 3 team. Nfitz (talk) 22:26, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm happy to restore the article as soon as he plays, but until then it's all WP:CRYSTAL. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  22:28, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The guy was in the line-up for a match, get's pulled at the last minute because of clearance issues (getting national media coverage), and you want to go to the trouble of deleting the article for what will likely be a 3-day period - unless he gets hit by a bus or something? Surely that's is an example of WP:POINT and a violation of WP:IAR. Shouldn't WP:Use common sense be used here? Nfitz (talk) 22:37, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Restoring the article can be problematic. Admins can take hours, if not days to respond. A user is very likely to duplicate the effort and recreate from scratch rather than using the existing article. Nfitz (talk) 22:40, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Admins don't take hours to respond if you swiftly contact them. Just leave a message on my talk page and I'll do my best, as well as any other admin around. --Angelo (talk) 08:05, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Some do - I've been waiting for one to reply for 3 weeks now ... but he seems to have made a major decision, and then vanished. But that's not the point. I might well follow the procedure of trying to recover the material. An overzealous fan of the team will simply create a new article, which wastes all the effort that was put into the deleted article. It's a complete no-brainer that this guy will be on the pitch in 2 days time. Why would we think of deleting the article at this stage? Nfitz (talk) 17:20, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Finally, it's not a WP:CRYSTAL violation - it says "Individual scheduled or expected future events should only be included if the event is notable and almost certain to take place."; we've established that a match between two professional teams in league play is notable - and that this player will almost certainly be playing; WP:CRYSTAL isn't violated. Nfitz (talk) 23:10, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, but unfortunately most people who vote on footballers' AfDs are apparently OCD - evidently this guy is completely non-notable until the moment the referee blows his whistle to start the first league match of the season, at which point reliable, third-party sources miraculously appear out of thin air and this player's notability is verified. ugen64 (talk) 04:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you're criticizing, but I agree in principle with this guideline: if a line needs to be drawn somewhere, the "needs to have competed" seems reasonable in almost all cases and is easy to verify. Once he competes it's going to be easy to find a reliable source for that (the team website can be considered a reliable source for that), so notability according to WP:ATHLETE will be met. --Amalthea (talk) 12:07, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, Ohnesorge has started every friendly match bar one (when he wasn't in the country), and has been stated, he would have made his competitive debut had there not been an error on his registration. His registration has now been sorted, and he will make his debut this Saturday in the league. Ck12 (talk) 10:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, per ugen64 above. --Friejose (talk) 22:09, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


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