Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Valli


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The result was delete. Rlendog (talk) 19:50, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Michael Valli

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At the help desk, asked if someone can please call for the deletion of the page. I agree as I do not think it means WP:BIO. — MRD2014 ( talk ) ( contribs ) 01:02, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. North America1000 01:13, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. North America1000 01:13, 31 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete - As an unsourced BLP, this would be PRODable except that it is grandfathered. If references showing notability are found within seven days, can be kept.  Robert McClenon (talk) 03:07, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. No real claim to notability. Fails WP:GNG. Doctorhawkes (talk) 03:22, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. No real claim to notability. -- Varun FEB2003    13:07, 1 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment - I don't understand how anybody can state "No real claim to notability" when the article states he has competed at the a wold cup race in rowing. That is assuredly a real claim to notability. -- Whpq (talk) 13:12, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Rowing World Cups are not like Olympics or soccer World Cups or IAAF chamionships. They have 3 per year with near 1000 competitors at each.
 * Athlete notability is tricky because it can change from even to event. Outside the above competitions, this is the pertinent line, I think: "Finished top 8 in a competition at the highest level outside of the Olympic games and world championships." It should be noted that while Valli did compete at one World Cup, he was in the 2nd Australian team that did not make the finals.
 * Just my opinion of course. Not trying to badger you. Doctorhawkes (talk) 00:02, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
 * No, your reply isn't badgering; this is a discussion after all. My issue is that competing at a rowing world cup is a claim of notability, not that competing at the rowing world cup was sufficient to establish notability, and as such requires more elaboration to support a delete opinion.  Your reply has clarified your position, and makes the case that the individual does not meet the threshold. -- Whpq (talk) 05:10, 3 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete - As noted above, he has appeared only in one world cup race, as a crew member on the second Australian boat in the M8+ which placed third in the B final (9th place). In terms of coverage about this rower, he is listed as a team member, or in photo credits when covering some races but that represents just passing mentions.  There is a little bit more with respect to him participating in the Clipper Race, see, and  which is are more than passing mentions, but not what would be considered significant coverage.  There is no rowing specific sports notability criteria, but in the spirit of how others are written, the participation in a single world cup where his boat did not make the final does not seem to be something that is sufficient by itself to indicate notability, and the coverage in reliable sources does not rise to the level that would meet WP:GNG. -- Whpq (talk) 05:10, 3 September 2016 (UTC)


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