Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael W. Nichols


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The result was   Delete. Ironholds (talk) 04:10, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Michael W. Nichols

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non notable former USMC sergeant. 50% of the external links and references are to his own websites. Wuh Wuz  Dat  16:47, 28 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - I don't see the significant coverage in reliable sources that would establish notability. -- Whpq (talk) 16:52, 28 January 2011 (UTC)


 * "Non notable"??? First of all there is no such thing as a "non notable" US Marine, who has honorably and faithfully served this country.  Second, SSgt. Nichols is one of the most notable Marine Corps Drill Instructor ever, aside from R. Lee Ermy, especially with the younger generation and the extreme popularity of the film Ears, Open. Eyeballs, Click.  Just by his notability on this film alone, is enough to qualify him for a wikipedia page, especially in compared to some of the other wiki pages out there. Via the web he is not so notable by his full name, Michael W. Nichols, but is extremely popular under the names, "SSgt Nichols"or "SDI SSgt Nichols", from the film and the Marine Corps. His youtube page alone is about to hit a million plays, for his videos as a Drill Instructor, is that not notable?


 * The problem is being known and famous in the military world does not always cross over to the civilian world. Therefore you are less likely to find references on the web or in books regarding notable figures in the military, unless they are out of the military and actively involved in politics. It's been like this for years, military members never get the notoriety or respect they truly deserve which is extremely unfortunate considering if it were not for their service, since the beginning of the founding of this country, there would be no country!


 * Here is a link to a trailer featuring SSGT Nichols http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbLAkDP0sDA also another link to a speech SSGT Nichols gives about helping to change around the life of a recruit (ME). So before you call a Man "not notable" maybe you should do a little bit more research before you pass judgement.
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg1LAoBgGqE
 * Review then you'll understand why this gentlemen deserves a wikipedia page that along with plenty of third party references provided below --Cmanhattan24 (talk) 00:12, 29 January 2011 (UTC) — Cmanhattan24 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Perhaps I need to change the name and instead create a page name titled, "Drill Instructor SSgt Nichols" thoughts? --Cmanhattan24 (talk) 00:12, 29 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Reply - Notable as used in Wikipedia, and especially in articles for deletion refers to the inclusion criteria at WP:NOTABILITY. -- Whpq (talk) 19:51, 28 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Reply - Creme-Magazine: http://www.creme-magazine.com/article/features/the-art-of-war
 * Social Blend http://social-blend.com/2009/11/10/zero-freeze-recruit-freeze-social-blend-90/
 * Talking with Heroes with SSgt. Nichols http://talkingwithheroes.com/product_info.php?cPath=28&products_id=1011
 * Leatherneck Online Mag about me in Iraq: http://www.leatherneckcom/forums/showthread.php?t=38902
 * Marine Corps New about me in Iraq: http://www.marine-corps-news.com/2006/10/a_day_in_the_life_of_motor_tra.htm
 * Marine Parents United Event: http://www.marineparentsunited.com/#/special-guests-2008/4521224200
 * Published Book – “Black Friday – Prepare for Enlisted Boot Camp” http://www.amazon.com/Black-Friday-Prepare-Enlisted-ebook/dp/B004A156PE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&m=AG56TWVU5XWC2&s=digital-text&qid=1296250656&sr=8-1
 * News Blaze: http://newsblaze.com/militaryresources.html --Cmanhattan24 (talk) 00:12, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Cmanhattan24, I notice that in the list above you wrote "Marine Corps New [sic] about me in Iraq" and "Leatherneck Online Mag about me in Iraq" (my emphasis in both quotes). Which leads me to ask, are you Michael Nichols? This should not have a bearing on whether the article is deleted or not but it is always useful to identify autobiographies so that potential conflict of interest and neutrality issues can be monitored. Best, nancy  10:46, 29 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions.  -- Jclemens-public (talk) 23:28, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions.  -- Jclemens-public (talk) 23:28, 28 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Additional References to consider for Michael W. Nichols (Senior Drill Instructor SSgt Nichols with the discussion above:
 * http://www.glorygutsandglitter.com/2010/03/saluting-ssgt-michael-w-nichols.html
 * http://www.ssgtnichols.com/about.html
 * http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117927284/
 * http://www.usmc.mil/unit/marforpac/Pages/welcome_backup.aspx
 * http://www.motoent.com/staff-bios ( Cmanhattan24 (talk) 23:37, 28 January 2011 (UTC) )


 * ANOTHER NOTE I have put plenty of links at the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Nichols perhaps I'm linking wrong. The point is I dont feel the page should be considered an orphan, with all these links like I provided: Drill Instructor, United States Marine Corps, Ears, Open. Eyeballs, Click., Metairie, Louisiana, Lutcher High School, bootcamp, The Style Network, Whose Wedding Is It Anyway?, Drill Instructor Ribbon, Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medal, Iraq Campaign Medal, Global War on Terrorism Service Medal,  Korean Defense Service Medal, Marine Corps Good Conduct Medal, Marine Corps Recruit Depot San Diego.


 * How many links does someone need to have on there page to not be considered an orphan???? --Cmanhattan24 (talk) 00:12, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The article is considered an orphan because little or no other Wikipedia articles link to it. See this list. When you link on the Nichols article it does not create a link at the other end. I don't think it however that it would be sensible at this juncture to add links from other articles - better to wait until this deletion discussion has concluded as if the article gets deleted it will only add to the clean-up work. The fact that that the article currently has an orphan tag on it is not a valid reason to delete and so will not affect the outcome. Best  nancy  07:45, 30 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I would really appreciate it if someone would help rescue the page thank you :) (Cmanhattan24 (talk) 03:02, 29 January 2011 (UTC))


 * Delete - per Whpq, lacks "significant independent coverage" in reliable sources and therefore fails the general notability guideline. Also fails WP:MILMOS/N. Anotherclown (talk) 07:16, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete - per statements made by Anotherclown. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 10:58, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails WP:BIO as lacking significant independent coverage in WP:RS. I have reviewed all of the links cited above and found:
 * http://www.glorygutsandglitter.com/2010/03/saluting-ssgt-michael-w-nichols.html - blog. Not a reliable source
 * http://www.ssgtnichols.com/about.html - subject's own website. Not a reliable source
 * http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117927284/ - does not mention the subject. At all.
 * http://www.usmc.mil/unit/marforpac/Pages/welcome_backup.aspx - deadlink
 * http://www.motoent.com/staff-bios - website of subject's own company. Not a reliable source
 * http://www.creme-magazine.com/article/features/the-art-of-war - Glorified blog. No print edition. Not a reliable source
 * http://social-blend.com/2009/11/10/zero-freeze-recruit-freeze-social-blend-90/ - podcast. Not a reliable source
 * http://talkingwithheroes.com/product_info.php?cPath=28&products_id=1011 - advert for an internet radio broadcast.
 * http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38902 - discussion board. Not a reliable source
 * http://www.marine-corps-news.com/2006/10/a_day_in_the_life_of_motor_tra.htm - article about motor vehicle operator which includes a single quote from the subject about how many re-supply missions a week his platoon runs amongst quotes from many other soldiers. Nichols is not the subject of the article.
 * http://www.marineparentsunited.com/#/special-guests-2008/4521224200 - directory listing
 * http://www.amazon.com/Black-Friday-Prepare-Enlisted-ebook/dp/B004A156PE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&m=AG56TWVU5XWC2&s=digital-text&qid=1296250656&sr=8-1 - Amazon purchase link for a book by the subject.
 * http://newsblaze.com/militaryresources.html - directory listing
 * nancy 11:16, 29 January 2011 (UTC)


 * You don't have to have a print edition to be a reliable source. Does anyone else not believe Creme Magazine is a reliable source?   D r e a m Focus  10:03, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I made three separate observations about the source. A. B. C. I did not say A + B = C Best,  nancy  13:47, 2 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: The article under discussion here has been rescue flagged by an editor for review by the Article Rescue Squadron. Snotty Wong   chat 15:46, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per analysis of the sources above. Saying someone is "non-notable" is not an insult, it just means that they don't satisfy Wikipedia's inclusion policies, which are based on notability.  Not everyone in the military is notable, even drill sergeants who wrote an e-book and made an appearance on a tv show.  Snotty Wong   chat 15:46, 29 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete: no indication that topic meets WP:SOLDIER or WP:ENTERTAINER. No indication of "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". HrafnTalkStalk(P) 17:16, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and per Nancy's comments above. Nick-D (talk) 22:49, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep I added a link to the article done entirely about him at Military.com. What military magazines exist, and is there a way to check them?  Not every magazine has its entire contents online for viewing.  Surely this guy was talked about in them.    D r e a m Focus  11:37, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, that was Military.com copying word for word a PD article written by his unit, failing RS. At least they attributed it.  bahamut0013  words deeds 23:53, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete: is this a joke? Utterly fails notability requirements: WP:GNG, WP:BIO, and WP:MILPEOPLE, and hasn't a single reliable source (thus failing WP:BLP), not to mention that the vast majority aren't even proper biographical references; most only mention him in passing, or mention the two films he was in (not even featured in). Being one of many in a documentary about recruit training and having a fitness video, along with a "published book" (available only as a Kindle eBook is a stretch, as it's only a step above self-publishing) is not enough to prove notability. Frankly, I'm offended by the shameless self-promotion, using the Eagle, Globe, and Anchor to fill his own pockets.  bahamut0013  words deeds 23:53, 30 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I found another source at this video link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlA9WAp-m-c&feature=youtube_gdata_player please review and let me know your thoughts. (66.108.252.99 (talk) 08:12, 1 February 2011 (UTC))
 * Good find! Notable enough that he is interviewed even by foreign media.  I added that to the article.   D r e a m Focus  10:01, 1 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Another note how is the Creme Magazine not a reliable source? Creme-Magazine: http://www.creme-magazine.com/article/features/the-art-of-war (66.108.252.99 (talk) 08:12, 1 February 2011 (UTC))
 * I agree. It seems like a reliable source.  If you search Google news for it, they quote it on major news sites such as MSNBC quote from it, and mention that a famous actor from the Twilight films did an interview in it.    D r e a m Focus  10:11, 1 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Someone email the guy yet? We need to find a list of all interviews he has done.   D r e a m Focus  10:05, 1 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Also I think more about his life is credible enough to be added to his wiki page here is a link to his bio please review and add any more of his life story: http://www.ssgtnichols.com/about.html    http://www.motoent.com/staff-bios (66.108.252.99 (talk) 22:02, 1 February 2011 (UTC))
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