Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Micheal Castaldo


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The result was   no consensus.  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 02:51, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Micheal Castaldo

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Fails WP:MUSIC. (Please see considerable discussion on the article's talk page.) Clearly failing to meet all other criteria there, we focused on non-trivial coverage in independent reliable sources. No such coverage found. Castaldo has created various way to find him: his music/promotion efforts, his olive oil company's site, his small foundation's site, his rental villa's site, his booking agency's site, etc. His personal website has a "Press" page that has a long list of links. However, many are broken links and/or unreliable sources. Additionally, many don't mention Castaldo at all. I am unable to find any meaningful coverage in independent reliable sources. Sum mer PhD (talk) 05:20, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
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 * disagree. Castaldo he had written and produced "Goin' Krazy" that Jose Feliciano recorded in 1994, it went on bilboard chartsbooks.google see page 328books.google see page 27 some other billboard success:http://books.google.com/http://books.google.com/ He was one of the winners of the abe olman songwriters hall of fame in 1998 and to understand the significance of the Abe Olman award see this links: http://books.google.com http://books.google.com/http://books.google.comhttp://books.google.com/http://books.google.com--alireza5166 16:53, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - "Goin' Krazy" seems to have briefly registered on a dance chart. If this had been Castaldo's recording (it was not) it would be a very weak argument for a keep.
 * The final list of links do not point to "the significance of the Abe Olman award" (which, apparently, is supposed to be a "major music competition", though it apparently is neither "major" nor a "competition"). The first one mentions one award winner, the second link has a photo that includes Castaldo among others, as does the third, the fourth is a book that includes a small print caption indicating Castaldo co-wrote music for lyrics being discussed, the final one shows Castaldo produced a single that, um, exists. None of this indicates notability. In fact, if Castaldo's article survives AfD, the last one would be a valid source for a fairly trivial detail and the rest would be useless. - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 19:39, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, as it was a song written by him which was charted on the billboard, that could be counted as notability. the Abe olman was a scholarship competition I think. It's interesting that include every source that is brought for this singer as "small" and "brief". as I read here [|Wikipedia:MUSIC] being "cited in reliable sources as being influential in style, technique, repertory or teaching in a particular music genre" is a source of notability. his genre is Classical crossover, and in the page that the editor of http://www.classical-crossover.co.uk/ has created for him she has described him as having An incredibly warm and smooth voice to rival anyone in the genre.--alireza5166 12:36, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - Please review WP:MUSICBIO. An apparently brief dance charting of a song he wrote is not notable. The Olman thing, which you mysteriously "know" will be added to their website next week does not seem to be a "major music competition". A "warm smooth voice" is nice, but it isn't "influential in style, technique, repertory or teaching". Note that the "small" in my previous post referred to the type size (though a footnote mentioning his name is also "brief"). - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 14:39, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * At least he was adored by AT LEAST one independent and reliable source in his music genre. an as you see in his ratings, he has been rated as a high quality singer. and he also "Has composed a number of melodies, tunes or standards used in the genre". this is another case of his notability.--alireza5166 15:28, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - I don't care how many people "adore" him, without substantial coverage in independent reliable sources, we have nothing to write about. I find no substantiation for the "Has composed a number of melodies, tunes or standards used in a notable genre, or tradition or school within a notable genre." claim. Numerous weak arguments do not amount to one solid argument. - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 15:47, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I also added the official reference for his Abe Olman Scholarship (songwriters hall of fame) award to his page.--alireza5166 16:25, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Weak Keep. After doing some searching I did find some press coverage which makes me think he just squeezes by meeting WP:GNG. See, , .4meter4 (talk) 01:17, 28 September 2011 (UTC) 
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