Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michela Balducci


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The result was Keep. Michig (talk) 07:17, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Michela Balducci

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The only reference is a bio link on what appears to be a user-entered page Walkabout14 (talk) 18:26, 14 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep She is a professional cyclist on the UCI team S.C. Michela Fanini Rox. The UCI Women's Teams are the top-level teams of female cycling. She rode in the 2014 Giro d'Italia Femminile ("the only remaining women's Grand Tour and the most prestigious stage race on the 2014 women's road cycling calendar)". Pro Cycling Stats shows several other races she's competed in and I suspect there's plenty of coverage here if that's not enough (IE WP:BEFORE). And to be pedantic, all sports result sites are "user-entered page(s)".  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 18:34, 14 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I still don't grasp why she is notable. I am new to Wiki but the news links seem to be in languages other than English and I thought that English sources were required for English Wikipedia.  Finally, aren't all the user-entered sport sites equivalent to IMDB for movies?  I understand that IMDB is not an acceptable reference either. Walkabout14 (talk) 19:45, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
 * No, sources in any language are acceptable as soon as they are reliable. English sources are not required.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:19, 14 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Having found WP:NCYCLING, I believe that the guidance there would indicate that this rider, along with many others on wikipedia, does not meet notability standards. Basically, cyclists should win or make the podium in an UCI event.  Walkabout14 (talk) 23:17, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
 * WP:GNG beats WP:NCYC. She's taken part in several top-level UCI events.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 09:17, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:25, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Cycling-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:25, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:25, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep I really do understand this nomination. This is a boarderline women cyclist case, and to dat if she is notable enough you need to know a bit more about Women's road Cycling, with the question arising is it about media coverage or about importantce within the sport. I'll explain this. For men cyclists it is notable enough to have an own article when a cyclist had competed in the Tour de France, Giro d'Italia or the Vuelta as being the most important stage races. The only equivalent for women is as mentioned by Lugnuts the Giro d'Italia Femminile, the Women's version of the Giro d'Italia. The main difference is that it receives much less media attention, as is the case with Women's Cycling in general, which in my opinion is not fair. But Women's Cycling is beloning much more an more popular every year. So my point is, for Women's Cycling she is important enough to have an own article altough she hasn't been me mentioned much in the media. There are more examples of cyclists who has its own article with even less media coverage but are notable because they competed at the UCI Road World Championships. Sander.v.Ginkel (Je suis Charlie) 11:20, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep as per the points raised above by Sanderl, lower threshold of requirement for notability due to less coverage, fewer races etc. XyZAn (talk) 18:59, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Delete. Doesn't meet WP:NCYCLING nor WP:GNG. Sources above are only mentions. The sources cited above such as this list of links here -- none points to in-depth treatment of Michela Balducci (but rather to other Michelas). My sweeps of Italy-related news, sports-related news, international news, did not find in-depth independent reliable sources which talked about why this person is notable. Another search is using her name combined with this cycling news site and only turned up mentions, like she came in 36th in such and such a race. That there are other cyclists with less coverage who have articles in Wikipedia is not a reason to include this one.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 19:07, 17 February 2015 (UTC) Changing to Weak delete based on new reference added here by Ymblanter.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 19:58, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Weak keep, here is the source.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:15, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 00:44, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - not notable. Buzzards-Watch Me Work (talk) 16:57, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Want to look again? She already meets WP:GNG.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 19:07, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Wait - The Notability Guidelines for Cyclists are about/requested to be updated: see here. If accepted Michela Balducci is within these guidelines. Sander.v.Ginkel (Je suis Charlie) 18:32, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, this should be agreed in the next week or so. Worst case is this is closed as delete, the guidance updated, and I recreate the article about 1 second after the guidance is updated. - would you be happy to withdraw this on the as the guidance is being updated, with no issue of it being re-nominated if there is no consensus to publish it to WP:NCYC?  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 09:15, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Agree to withdraw If the cycling community is going to re-write the notability guidelines, then I'll wait for the outcome of the discussion.  But if all you can write about an individual is their birthdate and the fact they are on a racing team, it sounds like a list item, not an encyclopedia entry.  I understand u|Sander.v.Ginkel's points on the relative lack of coverage for female cyclists but that still doesn't mean that individuals that haven't had a podium finish are notable, whether they are male or female. Walkabout14 (talk) 11:22, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 11:32, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
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