Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michelle Feynman


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Perfectly_Reasonable_Deviations_from_the_Beaten_Track. Black Kite (t) (c) 02:25, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Michelle Feynman

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I'm nominating this for same reasons as Articles for deletion/Carl Feynman (2nd nomination), only more so. Subject is not notable except as the daughter of a notable person. Notability not heritable etc. I had redirected this page WP:BOLDly to Richard Feynman, but an IP editor reverted that, alas without a reason given. VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 14:23, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Handle Editorialy You say that the page should be redirected to Richard Feynman. No need to delete just because an IP reverted that redirect.  Ensure there is talk page consensus for that redirect and if so redo the redirect.--Cube lurker (talk) 14:51, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * comment I chose AFD because the subject is not notable, and it's what I originally did with the Carl Feynman page, which resulted in a redirect. Given another editor - with no apparent history except this one edit - has, after some time, objected to my redirect (which I boldly did to save the hassle of another AFD which genuinely appears to be much clearer cut than Carl Feynman), I am now going through what I understand to be the necessary formal process. The editor in question has not given reasons either in an edit summary or on the talk page. Bearing in mind that more people watch the AFD page than I imagine watch the Michelle Feynman page, have I gone about this the wrong way? There has been no talk page activity at all since my redirect. VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 15:19, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Given the lack of explanation by the IP I likely would have redone the redirect, noted my reasoning on the target article's talk page (Richard Feynman), and left a pointer on the IP's talk page inviting him to discuss it there.--Cube lurker (talk) 16:11, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The thing is, it's not a merge. There is nothing particular in this article worth integrating into the Richard Feynman article. Anyway, I felt that instead of engaging one IP editor with no edit history, it was better simply to get a more definitive outcome involving a wider number of editors. There's nothing stopping the IP coming here, given that s/he has been notified. I do think your view of going to the talk page to engage the IP has merit in principle, but shall we not just continue with this AFD now it's started? (and more to the point, could any other editors give their opinions?) VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 16:43, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * This is just my opinion. Maybe someone else will give a different opinion.  My opinion though is based on the fact that AFD in not needed to create a redirect, even if it's contested.  Although discussions here sometimes result in redirects or merges, it usually begins with the initial poster proposing the deletion.  Again though this is my opinion, I have no desire or authority to compel action here.--Cube lurker (talk) 16:52, 12 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete Fails WP:BIO. Notability is not inherited. Edison (talk) 17:01, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Sigh did you even read the above conversation, and if so would you like to comment on why it shouldn't be returned to redirect form.--Cube lurker (talk) 17:21, 12 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Richard Feynman; as she is an editor of a book, it's a somewhat reasonable search term, but as somebody mentioned above, there's little, if anything, worth merging. Kansan (talk) 18:59, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete; Evidently, notability cannot be  inherited. Rirunmot (talk) 23:01, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Not redirect I suppose I'm the mysterious IP editor. I found the redirect extremely annoying, as I had been looking for information on Richard Feynman's relationship with his daughter upon having read an article about her in Discover Magazine, and I was redirected to his article, which made no mention of his children at all.  I don't think it's an unreasonable search term, and it was nice to find a bit of biographical information in the history.  If Wikipedia's precious bits cannot be allocated to such a person, so be it, but please don't tease me with a redirect into a black hole.  :-) 99.225.74.134 (talk) 23:27, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment If the Discovery material meets inclusion standards, then it can go into the Richard Feynman article; the redirect can actually go towards the appropriate section in the Richard Feynman article. The issue is that "Michelle Feynman" is probably not notable as a topic independent of "Richard Feynman". VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 04:12, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

"She is best known as the editor of Perfectly Reasonable Deviations from the Beaten Track: The Letters of Richard P. Feynman, a collection of personal letters from and to her father, which was also published in the UK by Penguin Books under the title Don't you have time to think?.[2] The book includes an introduction by Michelle Feynman in which she describes what it was like to grow up as the daughter of one of the world's best-known physicists. Michelle has also gathered a compilation of her father's artwork in a publication entitled The Art of Richard P. Feynman: Images by a Curious Character. She also appeared in a cameo role in the film Infinity, which dealt with her father's early life."
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:51, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, let me get this straight:

- Michelle Feynman

Sounds to me like her only connection to the the real world, much less any notability, is through her father. Redirect or Delete. Bearian (talk) 17:55, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Redirect to the article on the book of her father's letters that she edited Perfectly Reasonable Deviations from the Beaten Track  DGG ( talk ) 00:36, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
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