Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michelle Leslie



Michelle Leslie
''The result was no consensus, default to keep. The actual discussion has been hidden from view but can still be accessed by following the "history" link at the top of the page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page. ''

The result was   let's see. We know that AfD is not a vote; if one looks at the vote counts, it's pretty much split down the middle, a clear no consensus. But let's look at the arguments. Those that wanted the article kept stated that she has been covered in multiple secondary sources, had been on the front page of news in Australia for months, whereas those who wanted it deleted stated privacy concerns, with both sides arguing that BLP1E was valid/invalid. However, there is one significant fact that takes the main piece in this article. Rewriting began late on the 28th and ended on May 1st, well after most of the discussion on here has taken place. However, those that stated their opinions after the rewrite still had the same opinions as those beforehand, and there were some that still wanted deletion. This makes for a very, very tough closure.

If one looks at each source used, there are some tabloids (The Advertiser, The Sunday Telegraph) but also some non-tabloids (The Age, Sydney Morning Herald). Also, does the islamic conversion combined with the arrest count as more than one event, dissuading that argument? It's tough to say. As for the rewrite, it occurred a couple days ago, so is it acceptable to say that those on both sides could have changed their vote if they wanted to? I imagine they had no plans to check back on this, so perhaps not. It is true that WP is not news, and it is something many forget. It may be easy to "relist" this discussion, yet it would just be more of the same and leaving this for another admin to handle. That being said, because this was rewritten and sourced completely during and after most discussion, I don't feel that the comments can properly reflect the article's current state, yet I do not feel comfortable restarting or relisting the AfD, as it was still somewhat split even after the parts of the rewrite took place. In the end, it's firmly a no consensus decision. The thing is, what does a 'no consensus' mean for a BLP(1E?) who is primarily known for something negative? That is the real debate issue here, and one there really isn't much on.

Anyway, to read from WP:BLP, "Biographies of living persons must be written conservatively, with regard for the subject's privacy. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid paper; it is not our job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives. The possibility of harm to living subjects is one of the important factors to be considered when exercising editorial judgment." In this article, we have tabloid sources, and originally were not using basic human dignity. In the end, I am not confident in this closure, primarily because I'd probably be DRV'd whichever way I closed it. That's fine though, if you guys want to fight about it a second time, you can. This is not a Ginger Jolie Part II situation where the subject requested it, nor is it a non-BLP, else this close would be easier. I could care less whether or not she has a bio on here. But, it is written with reliable sources mostly, and there are arguments beyond. As I said, if someone wants to DRV me, go ahead, I have no problems with that. It is no consensus, the question was just what does it default to.


 * Close: no consensus, default to... keep. Wizardman  19:41, 3 May 2009 (UTC)