Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michigan Coalition for Mandatory English

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page, if it exists; or after the end of this archived section. The result of the debate was ignoring sock puppets, delete. FCYTravis 5 July 2005 21:33 (UTC)

Michigan Coalition for Mandatory English
Connected with Bill Kelly, also up for deletion. This lobbying group only gets two unique Google hits. --Etacar11 17:35, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC) Keep I'm sick of these elitist wikipedians trying to decide what is worthy to be educated of. It doesn't matter how notable something is. There's an entry to the X-Factor comic book, for goodness' sake. This movement will mean ten times as much as that piddly little long-canceled publication series and will have an important effect on the state of Michigan and thus it is something and has something of value to it and should be available to educate others with. "Notability" is an excuse. This is worthy to be learned of. With entries of all this obscure stuff, don't hate this movement just because you disagree with its values. --The Blue Spider
 * And by this, I mean, of course, that it is not notable, and possible self-promotion. --Etacar11 17:37, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * And of course, my vote is delete. --Etacar11 1 July 2005 14:36 (UTC)
 * Comment This user's only edits involve this page and Bill Kelly's. Although he claims to have edited before as an anon. And Blue Spider, my comment is nothing personal, we just have to watch out for sockpuppets. See WP:SOCK. And, no, I'm not accusing you of being one.  But anyone who signs up for an account to vote in a VFD is always suspect. --Etacar11 1 July 2005 14:36 (UTC)

Nothing personal? A knife does not make a wife MR Etacar...you know what I'm talking about don't you? (unsigned comment by 218.1.140.9)
 * Keep. Funny. No, seriously, I mustn't laugh at these crackpots, even though as an (arrogant  - added by 218.1.140.9) Englishman the sight of foreigners trying to force one another to speak my language is bound to be richly amusing.  Delete. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 18:58, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC) Tony, it's not the same language; it's the same words, but we don't say them like we are faggots (that's 'turd burglars' I believe in Queen's english) (comment added by 218.1.140.9, user's only edits are to this page)
 * Keep** Seriously, this isnt a joke.  MCME is a group pushing to make English the official language in the state. No bilingual forms in the hospital for muslims. Learn our damn language.  If everyone else could handle it, so could you.   Now, this idea might not be new, but the coalition was indeed formed by Dr Kelly. (unsigned vote by 69.241.248.95)
 * keep* -- Also  check this out,  http://www.statenews.com/op_article.phtml?pk=24459 (unsigned vote, also by 69.241.248.95)
 * User's only edits are here and on the Bill Kelly vfd. And, I'll add, just because a group exists does not make them inherently notable. One opinion article doesn't do it either. --Etacar11 30 June 2005 17:09 (UTC)
 * Keep I work for the Michigan House and Representative Jack Hoogendyk has introduced a bill to make Michigan the official language of Michigan, he has mentioned this on his campaign website ( http://www.jackformichigan.com/newsstory061505.html ). The fully media push is coming later this month.  Jack Hoogendyk was inspired to introduce the bill after meeting with Bill Kelly and his Michigan Coalition for Mandatory English.  It seems that Ms. Ectar wishes to have everything related to this person deleted, and I assume she must have some personal reason for hating Bill Kelly, so I won't try to stop her.  But if her concern is factual accuracy, you have no choice but to keep.  Also, Bill is quoted www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1406088/posts  and http://www.cumuli.com/ezines/1432_article.html (unsigned vote by 24.11.80.136, only edits here and on the Bill Kelly vfd)
 * No, I have nothing personal against Bill Kelly or this Coalition. I just don't think they are notable enough at this time for inclusion in Wikipedia.  --Etacar11 30 June 2005 23:29 (UTC)
 * I haven't a clue. Are you threatening me?  --Etacar11 1 July 2005 16:36 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry if it sounded like that because you couldn't know the clue. Of course I would not threaten you or want to give you that impression.
 * Delete -- nothing worth noting yet -- at this point in time, this appears to be an attempt at raising visibility for the group, although honestly, it verges on self-defeating parody--that is, this and the related articles could just as easily have been contributed by people aiming to ridicule as promote. older&ne;wiser July 2, 2005 13:20 (UTC)
 * Delete. Student nonsense/trolling. -- RHaworth 2005 July 4 12:39 (UTC)
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