Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michigan State University student riot (2nd nomination)


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The result was   keep. per Novickas whose rationale refutes 5 of the 7 delete !votes. v/r - TP 18:09, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Michigan State University student riot
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I don't believe this is a notable subject. Article was nominated for deletion before; perhaps we were more inclusionist in 2006. If you go through the history, you'll find that in 2006 there actually were two references to the supposed subject of the article--right now there are only links for the completely non-notable "other" riots. We are not the news, and I did not find any references to suggest that this riot was notable by our standards. Drmies (talk) 18:32, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
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 * Delete A campus with 40,000 or so students can only turn out this few for a riot and teargassing? Pretty lackluster compared to antiwar protests of the 1970's. A flash in the pan news story.And the title is inappropriate, being singular and then describing one riot as the most notable one, with two others also mentioned. There have been previous riots in the school's long history. Edison (talk) 21:06, 16 August 2011 (UTC)


 * DeleteThis article seems to suffer from recentism. The 1999 MSU student riot appears to have not created lasting effects, was limited in notable coverage and received no lengthy duration of coverage.  The previous debate regarding deletion included commentary from a person who supposedly attended the University of Michigan (a rival institution within the state of Michigan) suggesting that they wanted to keep the article in wikipedia because and I quote "Heh, anything to make MSU looks bad =) - User Earth".  While indeed comical, engaging in the production of Wikipedia articles for the sake of poking fun at rival institutions is not appropriate content for Wikipedia.  Joparkticular (talk) 21:49, 16 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep but rework to cover all Michigan State student riots. Michigan State is known for student riots (see ). cmadler (talk) 14:28, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
 * That's a student newspaper at the university, which manages, in 2005, to mention the 1999 riot. Even the ARS couldn't argue that it establishes that MSU objectively has a reputation for riots, and that therefore this particular riot was notable. Thanks for calling in the squad, by the way--I wish them luck. Drmies (talk) 03:19, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
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*Delete. US campus riots following sporting events with minor property damage (<$10K) are routine. Fails WP:NOTNEWS. FuFoFuEd (talk) 21:36, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails WP:EVENT. Events like these after victories or losses by college and professional sports teams are relatively commonplace (e.g. 1953, 1984, 1993). I would be OK with a mention of the event at 1999 NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Tournament. Location (talk) 21:41, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Listing all the riots that took place there, is notable. Thousands of people participated each time.   D r e a m Focus  22:26, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thousands of people participated each time because these were after sporting events with thousands of people already gathered. The amount of damages is usually a good indicator of how much of a riot it really was. Sourcing here is at best state-level media, and mostly local. FuFoFuEd (talk) 22:52, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. News of these riots was published in national media, making this a notable story worthy of a Wikipedia article. Marokwitz (talk) 08:02, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep per marokwitz clearly notable by riots published in national media.--BabbaQ (talk) 13:37, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete: routine WP:NOTNEWS, with no indication that this meets WP:EVENT. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 13:57, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Can be adequately handed in the history section of the Michigan State University article. Neutralitytalk 14:15, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete does not meet WP:EVENT for long standing notability. LibStar (talk) 17:27, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. The 1999 one was covered in the national media, especially its legal aftermath, because local authorities subpoenaed a number of news media outlets for their footage, some refused, the case ended up in the Michigan Supreme Court, and wasn't resolved till Sep 2000. You can see the opening portions of full-length articles about the legal issues in the American Journalism Review , article in Thomas M. Cooley Law School Review . Coverage in non-local media: articles in the Chicago Tribune , the Philadelphia Inquirer , Sports Illustrated . New York Times pieces: ‘After last month's riot at Michigan State University, the city of East Lansing posted pictures on its Web site of suspects it said had been involved in the violence and asked for tips to help track them down.’ , ‘March Madness bottomed out 15 days ago after Michigan State lost to Duke in a semifinal game of the Final Four.’ . Noted in a Rowman & Littlefield book as an example of ‘social-emotional contagion’. . Novickas (talk) 19:03, 21 August 2011 (UTC) P.S. One lasting impact is that a state law was passed 'giving judges the power to ban college students from school for up to two years. The law was enacted after 1999 riots, when thousands swarmed East Lansing and campus streets, causing nearly $500,000 in damage'. . (The newspaper article mentions this was invoked in 2003). Novickas (talk) 20:15, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I change my vote to keep based on what Novickas has found, which shows some long-term relevance of the 1999 event. Please add the info to the article as well. FuFoFuEd (talk) 17:32, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
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