Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Microsoft Surface phone


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Microsoft Surface. There is no real consensus on whether the subject passes GNG, and if it does, whether it's enough to override CRYSTAL in this case. However, a merge was proposed and agreed to by the article creator, so that seems like the best course of action. (non-admin closure) ansh 666 00:36, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Microsoft Surface phone

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Article is based entirely on speculations and rumours. Looks like a clear case of WP:CRYSTALBALL. Indrek (talk) 06:26, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
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 * Delete agree too soon. A fan might volunteer to take it into user space until it gets announced and has more reliable press, or at least enough sources to have a notability argument. W Nowicki (talk) 21:19, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
 * A fan might volunteer to take it into user space I'll drop a note on the page author's talk page, but they appear to have ragequit so I'm not sure if they'll even read it. Indrek (talk) 07:06, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
 * i'll take it into holding in mine, if he's not around. we'll need it sooner or later, most likely. no need to start from scratch. -- Aunva6talk - contribs 18:03, 23 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete this is too soon, since it is planned for 2019 it is possible it will be canceled. --Frmorrison (talk) 21:14, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete wayyy too far out. -- Aunva6talk - contribs 22:06, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

 References  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Relist for further evaluation of sources found by.
 * Keep – WP:CRYSTAL states, "All articles about anticipated events must be verifiable, and the subject matter must be of sufficiently wide interest that it would merit an article if the event had already occurred". This anticipated event is virtually certain to occur, and the subject matter is of obvious wide interest, as per the many global news sources that have covered this topic. As such, the topic passes WP:GNG. See below for some source examples; additional sources are available. Another option is to draftify the article. North America1000 02:51, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Express
 * International Business Times
 * The Science Times
 * The Science Times
 * Latin Post
 * Viet Times (In Vietnamese)
 * Tom's Guide
 * The Times of India
 * The Times of India
 * Indian Express
 * Christian Today
 * Travelers Today
 * The Christian Post
 * Express
 * Christian Post
 * First Post – "Surface Phone expected in 2019"
 * University Herald
 * The Science Times
 * The Register
 * Express
 * The Christian Post
 * PC Advisor
 * Network World
 * Fox News
 * Keep. Thesources discussing it are quite sufficient. As a proposed vey significant  product line from a famous company, it would probably be a notable project even if nothing comes of it.  DGG ( talk ) 18:11, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kurykh (talk) 01:21, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep I started the article but would like this article to be kept I think in my view it has a lot of potential just like the other Microsoft Surface articles. Although it hasn't yet been released its in the pipeline to be released and its better to have it created now than later and the admin above North America provided far more references than I could find on the web which is good in my view... I would eventually like to continue expanding the article with the help of others but at the moment its stalled due to the deletion template. Regards,  Stewart  Little  07:00, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Please note that the deletion template does not mean the article cannot be edited. The notice even explicitly says "Feel free to edit the article". Indrek (talk) 07:30, 29 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment Regarding the sources above, as far as I can see, they mainly say that Microsoft might be working on a device that might resemble a smartphone and might bear the Surface brand. There's no concrete evidence that anything of the sort is actually being developed or will ever be released, and I have to disagree with the above assertion that "This anticipated event is virtually certain to occur".
 * I do agree that the subject, speculative as it is, is noteworthy, and probably some mention of it might be in order for, say, Microsoft Surface. But a separate article? As said above - too soon. There is simply no encyclopaedic information about it available right now, everything in the article as of the writing of this is pure speculation (even the infobox image is, unless I'm mistaken, a fan-made concept render). Taking it to userspace seems like the best course of action, if there are people willing to work on the article. Indrek (talk) 07:30, 29 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete - Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a place for the spreading of rumors. The Surface Phone has not been confirmed officially by Microsoft - all of the "sources" posted above to back up keeping the article are simply speculation pieces, many of which are from sites that do not hold much credibility in the technology world. The image used on the article is a concept render, not an authentic photograph of the device. There are claims in this article that are straight up lies. This for example - "It was availabile for a purchase in 2017" - is completely false. This article should be deleted and if the time arises where there is credible information regarding the aforementioned device, then it may be recreated. MikeMeowz (talk) 19:51, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Wikipedia is not a collection of product announcements and rumors. We cannot just create article based on rumored upcoming events with no verifiable sources. The fact of the matter is, none of the verifiable news sources can confirm that the Surface Phone (if it's even called that) exists, nor have they seen one. Once the product is announced, we can add a long paragraph with all those sources in the Annonuncement section stating that it was long-rumored, because the existence of rumors can be verified, but not the rumors themselves until the product is announced officially or cancelled. If it is cancelled like the Surface Mini, and a verifiable news source can vouch for the product's existence, then that content could be verifiable.  WikIan - ( talk )  14:45, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Here we go again - let's see how stare decisis works out in this case. Take a look at the case of this recent case regarding the Samsung Galaxy S8, which I put into the same hot seat a couple of months back. That was closed as kept as the consensus there, according to, was that GNG overrides CRYSTALBALL. « « «  SOME GADGET GEEK  » » » (talk) 17:51, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, an extremely strong case of GNG overrides a weak case of CRYSTALBALL, doesn't it?  J 947 (c)  18:53, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Article was double-relisted on 29 March, which caused it to be commented out of that day's log page due to a script bug. Fixed now.
 * Delete -- there's nothing encyclopedically relevant in the article at this time; sample copy includes: Some critics have complained about the delay in the phone being announced -- seriously? I would have expected much more if the subject of this upcoming (possibly) phone were notable. I don't see it here just yet. No objection to recreation once the phone is officially announced. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:14, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Finngall  talk  04:58, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep -- Consensus is that GNG overrides CRYSTALBALL as this passes GNG and per Articles_for_deletion/Samsung_Galaxy_S8
 * Merge and redirect to Microsoft Surface. "rumoured".  "Microsoft is yet to make an official announcement for the Surface Phone. Its release has reportedly been delayed".  It fails WP:V.  Too soon.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:08, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment – In addition to my !vote above, I also support a merge to Microsoft Surface. North America1000 09:53, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per Northamerica's sources. Failing that, would prefer merging to deletion. Patar knight - chat/contributions 15:14, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * keep (or merge. that's good too) meets WP:GNG. -- Aunva6talk - contribs 04:15, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Note I've placed a request here for the article to be merged into Microsoft Surface I'll support the recreation of the article if the phone has been announced but since Microsoft has recently had a major hardware announcement they still haven't yet confirmed its existence. Then I think the best course is to merge both articles together....Stewart Little (talk) 11:34, 4 May 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.