Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Middle-earth Orc characters


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. There is consensus that we should not have this article. Whether and where to redirect this list or individual orcs to is something that can be sorted out at the editorial level.  Sandstein  07:42, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Middle-earth Orc characters

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We have several different lists of Middle-earth characters. As reflected by the AfD for List of Middle-earth Elves, there seems to be a consensus to delete auxiliary lists like this in favor of the central List of Middle-earth characters. BenKuykendall (talk) 04:54, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. BenKuykendall (talk) 04:54, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
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 * Redirect to List of Middle-earth characters per BenKuykendall. Goustien (talk) 05:29, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. None of the Orcs have articles, so they're not in List of Middle-earth characters, so what's the point of redirecting there? Clarityfiend (talk) 06:04, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete This is basically a last ditch attempt to end run around notability guidlines and preseve way to indpeth not supported by reliable 3rd party sources discussions on the creation of the Hobbit movies.John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:37, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete This list was created to get around our notability guidelines. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 11:30, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep It seems like every day I'm seeing Tolkien character Wikipedia articles getting deleted. Most of those AFDs I haven't objected too, as the characters genuinely don't seem worthy or notable enough for their own standalone articles. But it seems to me that lists like this one are the alternative to have dozens of non-notable standalone articles like that. I think lists like this should be encouraged for that reason, not deleted. — Hunter Kahn 14:14, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of Middle-earth characters while the notability threshold for that article gets sorted out, and then retarget the incoming redirects to where the orcs are actually mentioned: Gothmog (Third Age) to Battle of the Pelennor Fields, Shagrat (Middle-earth) and Gorbag to The Return of the King, Grishnákh and Grishnakh to The Two Towers, Snaga to Orc (Middle-earth), Great Goblin to List of The Hobbit characters, and Ugluk and Uglúk to Uruk-hai. While the article seems to fail GNG, we can at least fix the incoming redirects so that they point the user to where the individual orcs are mentioned. Hog Farm (talk) 15:43, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I support all of these redirects. Even if the closing admin doesn't re-target them at closure, someone can create them afterwards. BenKuykendall (talk) 20:17, 12 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:241:301:4360:C05F:77B6:F943:FAE5 (talk) 16:31, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. These area all minor characters whose names are mentioned occasionally.--Jack Upland (talk) 23:30, 18 January 2020 (UTC)


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