Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Middle-earth calendar


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to History of Arda. Convinced to close merge. Please consider moving content from the article in question and redirecting. I'm happy to assist with redirecting if needed. Thanks everyone for your participation and assuming good faith! Missvain (talk) 16:14, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Middle-earth calendar

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More Tolkiencruft unnoticed by any but the most Faithful, so no WP:GNG. And where did somebody dig up the fact(?) that the Shire year is exactly 365 days, 5 hours, 48 minutes and 46 seconds? Clarityfiend (talk) 20:12, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 20:14, 16 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete I cannot find any reliable sources that meaningfully discuss this subject. Also, I suspect that this article is full of original research and fanon. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 21:38, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fantasy-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 10:59, 17 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete: No sources, seems to be original research.--Jack Upland (talk) 03:48, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Material is better suited for a fan Wiki.TH1980 (talk) 04:50, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete This is not elaborated on in the actual text of the books. I really do not think it needs to be mentioned anywhere. It adds lots more complexity, and the fact that Tolkien did not elaborate on it in his books shows he figures it is not central to understanding his stories.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:23, 20 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge and Redirect The level of detail given in the article body owes more to fandom than Fingolfin. However, there is a reliable source available, as Drout gives a chapter (5 articles and an introduction) to the subject of Tolkien's Calendars. We also have a redirect target, History of Arda, though that may become Arda (Tolkien). I think this sufficient to propose that we redirect there; the summary in the article's lead is actually also quite suitable for a merge, given the Drout source, and we can dump the article body where it belongs. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:41, 21 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge and Redirect per Chiswick Chap, keeping the content forming the lead of this article. On the Drout encyclopedia, while I don't always agree with the way Piotrus has characterised some of the encyclopedia entries in other AfD discussions, but you can't really call the entries in the Drout encyclopedia a 'chapter'. It is actually 2 pages, which some people may be able to preview here on Google Books. That covers the 'Four Ages', 'The Elvish Calendar', 'Calendars of the Dunedain', 'Shire Reckoning' and 'Durin's Day'. That should be the limit of our coverage too. The material on the 'Four Ages' we seem to have at History of Arda. one of the problems with the coverage in secondary literature of such topics is that it can be rather sporadic and not really unified as a whole (though increasingly thematic surveys are emerging, see e.g. for the topic of music Music in Tolkien's Work and Beyond and Music in Middle-earth). It is well worth perusing the list of publications from Walking Tree Publishers to see if a topic is covered there, as that is a good starting point for more in-depth analysis than would be found in Drout's encyclopedia. Carcharoth (talk) 11:54, 22 January 2020 (UTC)


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