Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Middleworld


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Keep Merge discussion can occur at the article's talk page if needed. Jayron  32  05:17, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Middleworld

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delete, neither modern Maya researchers nor the ancient Maya themselves use the term "Middleworld" to describe the Earth, in Maya cosmology, mythology or any context at all. It's a conceit originating from the (fiction) book of the same name, by J&P Voelkel. We already have articles on the Maya underworld, the world tree, and so on. None of the info in this article needs to be transferred, it can safely be deleted as fiction. cjllw ʘ  TALK 07:44, 22 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions.  —cjllw  ʘ  TALK 08:02, 22 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Speedy Delete as per my reasoning in Jaguar stones AfD. Simonm223 (talk) 15:33, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

I think you'll find that Middleworld IS a concept and a term used by Maya academics and the Maya. I have quoted one use of the term "Middleworld" inthe article, I could find you a whole bunch more. The Maya of course, don't say Middleworld because they usually speak their own languages rather than English - in Yucatec it would be Yok’ol Kab’ (literally surface world). Neatguy (talk) 20:45, 28 October 2009 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Tim Song (talk) 00:21, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 00:27, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep The Gbooks hits show many examples of the term being used and they are not novels. Edward321 (talk) 04:37, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. The nominator's contention that this term isn't used by modern researchers has been neatly refuted by the addition of this source to the article. Phil Bridger (talk) 11:31, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Keep. One could argue to rename an article if one felt that it was named incorrectly, but deleting it when it is this well sourced is not going to happen.  Abductive  (reasoning) 01:25, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge: I suggest merging it with the Maya article. South Bay (talk) 02:09, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.