Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Midnight Shambler


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Lovecraft fandom. If there is a preferable target, like Lovecraftian horror, please address this on the article talk page. Liz Read! Talk! 01:17, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Midnight Shambler

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Venerable Lovecraftian Zine with unfortunate lack of sources. Removed Prod as there's enough to the article that it probably deserves AfD discussion, on the other hand as it stands now it does not pass WP:N. Artw (talk) 18:26, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Science fiction and fantasy, Literature,  and Popular culture. Artw (talk) 18:26, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails notability guidelines, I was unable to find any reliable sources to incorporate showing notability. Waxworker (talk) 11:00, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: I'm actually kind of surprised that we don't have an article on the Lovecraft fandom akin to those on the Twilight and Star Trek fandoms. There's enough stuff based on his work and so on to where it should be justified. If I get the time I should look into this, but then again I've got a lot of side projects languishing away in my userspace so if anyone else wants to take a whack at it, go for it. In any case, it could/should be included on the page for Lovecraftian horror. It looks like it published works by some fairly notable authors and while that in itself isn't really something that would automatically give notability, it does feel like it should be mentioned somewhere. The LH article would probably be best, as I do think there's justification in including a section or paragraph on zines. ReaderofthePack (formerly Tokyogirl79)  (｡◕‿◕｡)  14:34, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Does look like such a section would slot right in there. Would require at least some sources for verification at minimum. Artw (talk) 23:18, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I have added sources verifying some parts. The Locus Magazine checklist could be used to references (correct?) some more. Daranios (talk) 11:07, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @ReaderofthePack @Artw @Daranios I've started Lovecraft fandom, it is probably notable but sourcing is surprisingly sparse. Frankly, the notability looks very borderline based on sourcing I've found so far, although it's one of those cases when I feel that WP:THEREMUSTBESOURCES :P Feel free to help improve this, and stop by Talk:Lovecraft fandom for my notes on sources found that I either couldn't access or I am not sure whether they are reliable. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 10:05, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Delete or merge? If merged, it couldn't be merged with Lovecraft fandom as suggested as this is not an existing article. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:19, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete There is not enough coverage for it to be notable. Lovewiki106 (talk) 06:31, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge As far as I can see we currently have three independent secondary sources supporting the material in the article. How would deletion of this material improve Wikipedia, as opposed to WP:PRESERVEing it in some way? On the other hand, what I have seen is probably too short for a stand-alone article. So a merge to a Lovecraft fandom page would be great in my view, a merge Lovecraftian horror or another suitable target as well. Daranios (talk) 11:07, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Merge. While there is not enough to meet GNG for stand-alone article, a redirect and a merger would be good. Since we don't have articles on Lovecraft studies or horror studies, Lovecraftian horror does appaer like the best target found so far. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 08:27, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge to Lovecraftian horror sounds reasonable here. Tony Fox (arf!) 18:03, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge Lacks refs to demonstrate GNG, ref 1 and 5 are (probably) RS, but I don't have access, still, based on the article's cited content it's probably a short review for ref 5, and short stories for ref 1 (?) per WP page. Ref 2 is a trivial, but existing source. Ref 3 is probably an SPS, and ref 4 might not be an RS. Still, there's probably enough (trivial) RS for it to be merged to Lovecraftian horror.  started an article for Lovecraft fandom, so we can merge there. VickKiang (talk) 22:57, 17 July 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.