Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mignon (Antonio de Almeida recording)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 21:23, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Mignon (Antonio de Almeida recording)

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Fails all of the criteria of WP:WikiProject Classical music/Guidelines. -- Softlavender (talk) 20:46, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 20:48, 18 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep per WP:NALBUM The article's COPYVIO issue has now been addressed - brief quotes from reviews will be supplied in due course. As the first recording of the opera in the stereo era, the album is of fundamental importance in the opera's history. See Opera, December 1978, p. 1194 for further discussion.Niggle1892 (talk) 21:38, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Then mention that, with citation, on the wiki article about the opera. Softlavender (talk) 23:52, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete. Sourced entirely to catalogue entries. No evidence of notability. Guy (help!) 23:53, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. note that it also fails WP:NALBUM and WP:COPYVIO. The main bulk of the article consists of long paraphrases of critics reviews - these are certainly violations of copyright.Smerus (talk) 07:02, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment. The criteria in WP:WikiProject Classical music/Guidelines is from an essay by a WikiProject and does not carry the broad support of wikipedia policy. Further, this guideline section is currently being considered for removal for WP:NPOV concerns, as well as its conflict with the policy at WP:NALBUM.4meter4 (talk) 01:18, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per it's inclusion in the reference work The Rough Guide to Opera by Matthew Boyden, Nick Kimberley, Joe Staines, 2002, page 89, and The American Radio History Archive, and it's 1978 review in Gramaphone. That's enough to establish notability per criteria one of WP:NALBUM.4meter4 (talk) 01:54, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:GNG/WP:NALBUM#1. Kudos to 4meter4 for finding additional RS coverage in their comment above. Colin M (talk) 14:22, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Meets the criteria of WP:NALBUM. It has multiple reviews/articles. In addition to the two in Gramophone  over the years and Stereo Review (all already cited in the article), there are the two sources found by 4meter4. It was broadcast in its entirety on WXQR, and excerpts on other NPR stations. e.g. and on Radio Television Hong Kong . The criteria from WikiProject Classical music cited in the nom is merely a WikiProject essay, unlike those at WP:NALBUM which is an official guideline. As for potential copyvio issues in the "Reviews" section, that can be truncated to simply listing the reviews and re-expanded later. The entire article doesn't need deletion, if the subject is notable. Voceditenore (talk) 15:12, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep (actually this looks quite snowy) with plenty of reviews so meets WP:NALBUM. Coolabahapple (talk) 12:16, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 04:45, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment For further coverage, see Terence Cave's Mignon's Afterlives, 2011, p. 109; Peter Gammond's The Illustrated Encyclopaedia of Recorded Opera, 1979, p. 202; Clyde T. McCants's American Opera Singers and their Recordings, 2004, p. 362; Matthew Rye's 1001 Classical Recordings You Must Hear Before You Die, 2017, p. 374; Ethan Mordden's A Guide to Opera Recordings, 1987, p. 106; The New Records, Vol. 46, Issue 10, 1978, p. 12; The Penguin Guide to Recorded Music, 2008, p. 1351; The Penguin Guide to Compact Discs, 2001, p. 1402; and Musikrevy, Vol. 34, 1979, p. 47.Niggle1892 (talk) 11:57, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment, i can see why this afd may have been relisted, with a "delete" from a couple of experienced editors (hi, and :)), it would be nice if they could revisit this and reconsider?. Coolabahapple (talk) 05:29, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:NALBUM. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 14:27, 27 September 2019 (UTC)


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