Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miguel Laurencena


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was SPEEDY KEEP. Nominator has withdrawn and there are no opinions for delete. In speaking toward other's thoughts toward the nom's lack of WP:BEFORE, I will suggest he study WP:NRVE and caution him that this was not a policy violation, that issues were addressable, and WP:DEL suggests that under WP:PRESERVE, other avenues of correction should be explored. Care and understanding of existing community standards and practices must be taken into account before any nomination.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 00:35, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Miguel Laurencena

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No assertion of notability. Kevin McE (talk) 20:12, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Argentina-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:39, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:40, 16 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment. The expand tag on this stub indicates that content can be translated from corresponding Spanish language article. The es.Wikipedia article says that the subject was governor of a province in Argentina. • Gene93k (talk) 02:44, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Additional comment. While I can't assess Spanish language sources, my search for sources in English found hits at newspapers.com which apparently confirm that Laurencena was governor of Entre Rios Province, Argentina in the early 20th century passing WP:POLITICIAN. • Gene93k (talk) 02:58, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Law-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:59, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
 * The article need to include such assertions if it is to merit inclusion. Kevin McE (talk) 10:52, 16 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Speedy keep You appear to have a poor understanding of the concept of notability. A notable subject, regardless if one line or 150kb, will always be notable. Yes, the article should have had some content but the solution is to expand, not delete. AFD isn't an expand demand service. That it didn't occur to you that somebody who governed a state of a big country might be notable and the fact that you didn't check to see the wealth of sources is most alarming. If this continues I'll be proposing that you're banned from taking articles to AFD as you're not bothering to assess notability properly beyond short articles.♦  Dr. Blofeld  13:00, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not attempting to assess notability: I don't have to. An article can be speedily deleted if it "does not indicate why its subject is important or significant". I have chosen AfD rather than SD, but while an article remains in a state that would not keep it immune from SD criteria, I cannot see how it can survive AfD (see WP:DEL-REASON #1. Kevin McE (talk) 14:10, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

If you're going to be involved with AFDs you really have to abide by WP:BEFORE, especially the D section. 85% of our articles are stubs or lacking. The solution in most cases is to expand. If you've generally tried looking in google book/highbeam/newspaper.com etc and can't find anything then when you AFD at least you can claim that you don't think it's notable. Short article most of the time doesn't mean it's not notable, it just means it hasn't been researched properly.♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:30, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I did not nominate on the basis of shortness, I did so on the basis of failing WP:A7. If you don't think that provides a valid reason for deletion, campaign to have it removed. Kevin McE (talk) 16:49, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
 * It didn't fail WP:A7. For a start it was categorized as Governors of Entre Ríos Province which should immediately twig that it might be notable, not to mention that it had a very constructive "Expand Spanish wikipedia article" tag at the top with clear instructions to translate it. Wikipedia is one big project. The intention of the article creator was to get the article translated from Spanish wikipedia, an article which you couldn't possibly think wasn't notable.♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:51, 16 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Speedy keep as per the first hit in googling the man: this English language gbook ref which supports the claim that he was governor and tells us a lot more about his public and personal life. It would be easy enough to add all of it... it's PD. --Rosiestep (talk) 13:36, 16 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Withdraw  Now that it does not fall foul of speedy deletion criteria, the article properly merits inclusion.  Kevin McE (talk) 14:21, 16 September 2014 (UTC)


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