Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mihai Gruia


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Convincing delete arguments. Only the creator, who offers no policy-compliant notability rationale, wants the article kept. Bishonen &#124; talk 22:54, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Mihai Gruia

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This should be deleted or, at best, redirected to Akcent, as virtually all of Gruia's notability is contingent on his participation in that band, and in accordance with WP:MUSICBIO point 6. Let's go through the sources:


 * Something about Akcent
 * Something about Akcent
 * Something about what Gruia's been doing since Akcent (founding Two, which hardly meets the "independently notable ensemble" standard set by WP:MUSICBIO point 6, and raising children)
 * Something about a record company; Gruia isn't even mentioned
 * Something about how Gruia is raising an adopted daughter -- which millions of people do without having Wikipedia biographies

As this analysis demonstrates, nothing indicates that Gruia is notable outside having belonged to a single band. Therefore, we should delete. - Biruitorul Talk 22:19, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

u|Biruitorul, I suspect you have a personal issue with the artist or you are a supporter of any of his competitors. Since I created this page, you are constantly trying to deny this page, not on rational but on the personal basis. He has become notable being part of the Akcent, but now he is a standalone and notable artist. Every artist starts their career from somewhere and later himself or herself become a notable person, so, relation to the initial starting point is not a factor to devalue or deny them from Wikipedia.

Also, what about his contributions as a composer? Do you suspect about his compositions? TMOR (talk) 10:46, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, we were in primary school together and he called me a sissy once -- ever since then, my sole mission in life has been to destroy his career.
 * Seriously, though, if you want this article kept, forget diversions like what you "suspect" and please supply evidence that the subject passes any of the 12 WP:MUSICBIO criteria. - Biruitorul Talk 14:25, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Bully like you can't destroy his career. He is already an acclaimed artist. But you need to consider why were you blocked 4 times. Learn to argue on Wikipedia, it is not your company and I'm not your employee who will be ready to bear your uncultured behavior TMOR (talk) 20:07, 15 December 2017 (UTC).
 * "I'm not your employee" is typically not a winning argument on AfDs. If you wish to demonstrate the subject's notability via the usual way (explaining, preferably with reference to reliable sources, why the subject passes the notability criteria), great. If not, it's likely to be deleted. Your choice. - Biruitorul Talk 00:16, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
 * The first thing is; if someone gets famous for a character in reference with a movie or band or something else, he/she is known by that character or as part of that thing. There are hundreds and thousands of articles which mention Leonardo DiCaprio in accordance with the Titanic (1997 film) because this was the work which gave him international fame. Same is with Mr. Mihai Gruia, he merged as part of the Akecent and made his position.
 * Second thing is, Akcent was a band, if he hadn't played any role outside the band, we could say he is only notable in accordance with the band. He is a composer as well, go through all the composing history posted on the page. If you suspect his work, I'm ready to provide the reference for each and every composition mentioned there. I had not added those links, to keep the article simple, otherwise, it could look like spammy.
 * Thirdly, he fulfills WP:MUSICBIO criteria 1 and there is no need to jump straight to 6. TMOR (talk) 11:19, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Feel free to try and demonstrate that Gruia himself (as opposed to Akcent, or Gruia as part of Akcent) "has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself". Thus far, that has not happened. - Biruitorul Talk 15:38, 16 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete There is no claim of notability in the article. The article says the subject studied at a university, has a family, was in two bands and co-founded a non-notable record label, and wrote some songs, none of which are notable. That belongs at Facebook. Johnuniq (talk) 02:49, 18 December 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.