Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mike Carden (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to The Academy Is... per WP:MUSICBIO. (non-admin closure) — Jkudlick • t • c • s 21:15, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Mike Carden
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Not individually notable per WP:MUSICBIO. The majority of the sources are for the band The Academy Is..., not for Carden individually. The Santa Monica College source mentions him in the context of the band. Huffpost article can't even be bothered to spell his name correctly. BBC article is a one line passing mention and the interview article by Mike Farley was related to Carden's capacity as a band member. The article should return to a redirect to The Academy Is... per WP:MUSICBIO and prior AfD. --Dual Freq (talk) 01:55, 19 February 2016 (UTC) Dual Freq (talk) 01:55, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  /wiae   /tlk  15:44, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions. Dual Freq (talk) 22:27, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Musician was (1) the co-founder of the band, (2) a core member of the band throughout its history and (3) wrote the band's best songs together with the other co-founder. Reputable sources including Cincinatti City Beat and Chicago Daily Herald identify him as a core member of the band. News articles and other sources identify him as author / co-author of many of the band's best songs, including numerous songs with their own wikipedia entries. The BBC identifies him as entering new work in the music business along with another musician. Santa Monica College source is about the subject as an athlete. That source features a profile of the artist, explains that he was a swimmer from age seven to present, and that he has a perfect GPA at SMC. Source also mentions subject's impressive history as a co-founder and core member of The Academy Is..., an indie band that toured for eight years, which would not have existed had subject, Mike Carden, not co-founded it, been a guitarist and vocalist and co-authored all of nearly all of its songs. Please as well note that prior AfD, nearly nine years ago, was prior to much of the musician's work and the majority of the sources now presented in article in its current form. Since that time, subject musician has accomplished more and been recognized by many more news and music industry sources. Article is well supported with reputable sources including Rolling Stone, the BBC, Chicago Daily Herald, etcetera. JCRadical (talk) 04:47, 23 February 2016 (UTC)JCRadical


 * That BBC source mentions Carden in passing in a single sentence, the article is not about Carden. The Rolling Stone article is about the band break up, not Carden. The Chicago Daily Herald article is about the band, not Carden, he is only named in the article as a founding band member. The Huff-Post article that talks about his work doesn't even make clear that they are talking about Carden or someone else named "Mike Caren", either way it mentions him one time, in passing. The SMC school newspaper mentions he was a band member and swimmer, but he clearly doesn't meet WP:Athlete. These are not significant coverage required for WP:GNG. None of what you have said, beyond his role with The Academy Is..., is cited with significant reliable sources. What you have is a bunch of reputable sources about the band, not Carden. --Dual Freq (talk) 22:21, 23 February 2016 (UTC)


 * The sources, which are reputable, independent of the subject and all consistent with each other, establish incontrovertibly that the subject co-founded the band, remained a core member of throughout its history and co-wrote the band's best songs. He is notable on that basis. The sources need not all be exclusively about the subject to provide significant coverage of the subject.  Collectively they demonstrate significant coverage of the subject, over many years. JCRadical (talk) 01:47, 24 February 2016 (UTC)


 * It's been a redirect to the band since 2007. Anything that needs to be said about Carden can be said in the band's article since the sources are all pertaining to the band's notablilty, not Carden's. --Dual Freq (talk) 02:47, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

It is not a redirect at this time, as Carden is notable in his own right. There are adequate, reputable and independent sources on Carden alone. JCRadical (talk) 05:45, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
 * See also WP:Bombard for notes about piling in sources (in this case ones about the band) in an attempt to claim notability and WP:MUSICBIO clearly states: "Note that members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band, such as solo releases." None of that exists here, hence delete and redirect. --Dual Freq (talk) 18:55, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 00:59, 26 February 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 00:10, 4 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete No evidence of notable activity outside the band. Arguments presented above in favour of keeping the article actually serve to reinforce the reasons for deletion: if he's notable primarily for being a member / founder / songwriter of the band, then he shouldn't have his own page. The fact that he's apparently now "entering new work as a solo artist" doesn't meet notability if he hasn't actually released anything or had any media coverage as a solo artist. Referencing his childhood swim team and GPA also seem like odd ways to assert his notability as a musician. Page should definitely be deleted & redirect to the band. Smells like content (talk) 16:49, 9 March 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.