Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mike Graves


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Speedy delete  by Martijn Hoekstra as G7. Furthermore, the comment by the creator (99drums) below says that this was a joke, qualifying it for G3 as well. (non-admin closure). Cunard (talk) 01:44, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Mike Graves

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Was CSDed, but appears that he may be notable (see A Global Threat). AFDing to reach consensus on whether article should be kept; as of now I have no prejudice either way. TallNapoleon (talk) 23:52, 26 September 2008 (UTC) TallNapoleon (talk) 23:52, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Eh... there was a Mike Graves in A Global Threat, but that wasn't this Mike Graves. At least the full length article never mentioned that band anywhere. As far as I can tell this mr Graves isn't notable at all. And that's why I tagged it for SD. Anyways, delete.   SIS   23:58, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

I would imagine notable authority for an approved Wikipedia post would include significant accomplishments that warrant writing and publishing about so that other musicians and music fans alike would find valuable and educational knowledge that would help them to achieve their dreams. Mike Graves has truly accomplished significant goals and unique successes others find difficult or impossible to achieve starting off with practically nothing at a young age. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99drums (talk • contribs) 00:28, 27 September 2008 (UTC) Would you or others reading this article consider a drummer from a broken home with no money in his pocket taking on work as a dishwasher and car wash wiper as a young teen working his way up through the dark alley way clubs in Hollywood finally getting a record deal on CBS records in his mid twenties and then achieving the success of participating in (5) Major International Record Releases, 5 major label music videos, 3 major movie soundtracks, a huge publishing deal with the very top music publishing company in the world, working with the very top producers and managers in Hollywood a notable achievement? Please take a look at some of the other musicians and music artists you have agreed to post. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99drums (talk • contribs) 01:53, 27 September 2008 (UTC) All over the internet disco, geez you guys really know how to stop a guy in his tracks..please look at these links: http://www.onestoptrax.com/wcmost/home2.jsp http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly06r1nyAnU http://www.rockdetector.com/artist,1395.sm   ttp://www.rockdetector.com/discography,1395.sm http://www.myspace.com/theradioactivecats http://www.myspace.com/tvinflamesband http://www.the-faces.com/mac/macdisc.htm http://www.heavyharmonies.com/cgi-bin/glamcd.cgi?BandNum=1994&CDName=Radio+Active+Cats ttp://music.aol.com/artist/tv-in-flames/1119741 http://www.musicstack.com/item/8395064/radio+active/radio+active+cats http://sleazeattack.blogspot.com/2007/10/radio-active-cats-radio-active-cats.html http://music.search.ebay.com/Radio-Active-Cats_Music_W0QQsacatZ11233
 * Comment: So what are these "significant goals and unique successes"? ... disco spinster   talk  00:43, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: That's all very impressive, but where are the sources verifying it? ...  disco spinster   talk  02:31, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

http://www.amazon.com/Drool-Tv-Flames/dp/B000008LSK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1206233797&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.com/Radio-Active-Cats/dp/B000008JPJ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1206233953&sr=1-1

Radio Active Cats on Amazon.com

http://www.amazon.com/Wing-Prayer-Broken-Homes/dp/B000008DSQ/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1206234092&sr=1-2

Please visit this Wikipedia link as well and find Radio Active Cats in the list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_former_Warner_Bros._Records_artists —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99drums (talk • contribs) 03:58, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Please visit this Wikipedia link also to find TV in Flames on their roster: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_former_Reprise_Records_artists —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99drums (talk • contribs) 04:00, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

What else can I do? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99drums (talk • contribs) 02:52, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

I had no idea before I took the time to actually sit down and write a long article for this Wikipedia site out of my busy day that there would be such anal scrutiny, examination and humiliation waiting for me with human monitors at every corner looking for reasons not to post a page, even with a significant amount of solid facts and figures this article is still up in the air. I don’t get it! Oh, and who is this GLOBAL THREAT Band..and what makes their article so significant? Maybe Strike Out Sister has an issue with my bio? MG


 * Please see WP:AUTOBIO, WP:BAND, and WP:CIVIL. We're not out to get Mr. Graves, but Wikipedia does have an established set of guidelines for what does and does not qualify as notable. Statements of fact need to be cited. Ideal sources for this article would especially include mainstream news sites, including those that report primarily on music. YouTube, amazon, and personal blogs, however, do not generally qualify as notable. TallNapoleon (talk) 07:58, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

TallNapoleon This timeline happened between 1973-1994. How much active news internet information do you think would be posted and accessable?

This timeline happened between 1973-1994. How much internet information do you think would be posted and accessable? I can not help that the monitors viewing this information are probably much younger and are not too familiar with this time period. If you can't find the value in this posting I rest my case. The question remains why so many musicians with much less clout and credibility are posted? Also, to wait around for someone else to write about my life seems rediculious because they would not have all the facts and details in place. MG —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99drums (talk • contribs) 13:42, 27 September 2008 (UTC) The above links prove biographical credibility and prove the record and publishing deals did indeed exist. Furthermore, if you need scanned media items to further prove credibility for Strike Out Sister please send me your email address and I can attach various scanned media items.
 * I don't have "an issue with your bio", MG. Not as long as it follows WP guidelines and policies. Unfortunately it doesn't. That's not "anal scrutiny", that's trying to keep WP encyclopedic. Like TallNapoleon wrote above, WP:AUTOBIO, WP:BAND (and may I add WP:COI) will give you some more information on the matter. One quick quote from the guideline on autobiographies: It is not recommended to write an article about yourself. If you are notable, someone else will notice you and write the article. If you find this a "humiliation", I'm sorry about that. It's not intended to be, and there's no need to take it personal. This is not an attack. Look at it from my side: in the article there are/were claims of "significant global popularity", "significant street clout and name recognition", and above you claim "Major International Record Releases". That's all very impressive and so I expect to find a lot of stuff about you (and the bands you've been in) when I search the web for reliable, 3rd party sources. But I don't. It's MySpace, YouTube, blogs, and similar. Sorry, but my delete vote stands.   SIS   12:09, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: You are allowed to cite print (i.e. nonweb) sources. Old newspapers would count. TallNapoleon (talk) 19:16, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: You don't have to convince me, it's the WP guidelines that have to be followed. This is not about credibility. I'm sure you're not lying and I'm sure your bands existed. No need to prove that. This is about notability and reliable 3rd party sources, as explained above. Published articles about your music in books, music papers, magazines, etc, would help a lot to establish that notability. You're not expected to have been on the cover of Rolling Stone but it would make a huge difference if some major music magazines had at least heard of you. (I checked their databases: they haven't.) I wouldn't worry too much about the 1973-1994 time frame. There is a lot of information available about notable musicians of that era (and before) in said databases, newspaper archives, books, magazines, DVDs, films, etcetera.   SIS   21:49, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

THIS IS A JOKE....DELETE IT, I SHOULD JUST WRITE A BOOK AND PUBLISH IT ANYWAY. THIS WAS FREE INFO FROM ME TO YOU, TO USE AS AN ARTICLE. REDICULIOUS MEASURES. GOOD DAY. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99drums (talk • contribs) 01:54, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  15:33, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete There is no notability UNTIL notability is established by author or subsequent editors--and then there's the obvious COI. Drmies (talk) 19:03, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - Notability has not been established. Bart133 t c @ How's my driving? 23:36, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * OK. Article tagged appropriately (G7). Don't let the door hit you on the way out. MuZemike  ( talk ) 22:06, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


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