Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mike Rivera (American football)


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Mike Rivera (American football)

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Fails WP:ATH. Has not appeared in an NFL game yet. Vanadus (talk | contribs) 02:57, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 03:03, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 03:03, 13 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Speedy Keep he is on the roster. He had three tackles in yesterday's game according to this.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:39, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Being on an NFL roster during the offseason is not an indication of notability and exhibition games do not count towards meeting WP:ATH.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  02:10, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * We allow articles for all players who have been on an active NFL roster in the past year in general. After a year, it might be deletable.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:46, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, we have kept players in the pass who were on the regular season active rosters, never just for being on an offseason roster.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  23:12, 15 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Has been on the active roster during the regular season, which, based on previous discussions, still needs to be discussed. Passes WP:GNG per sources listed by Cbl.-- Giants27 ( T  |  C )  19:19, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think being on an active roster but not playing in a game should automatically make a player pass WP:ATH. Of course, it still needs to be discussed further, which is why I am not !voting keep or delete.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  23:12, 15 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete Fails WP:NSPORTS, having never played at highest level. NSPORTS does not automatically assume notability based on preseason appearances or merely being on active roster in regular season without ever playing. This is a WP:Run-of-the-mill player who does not deserve a standalone article.  He also fails WP:GNG with lack of non-routine coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. WP:CRYSTAL would suggest not to speculate on future notability based on whether the undrafted player ever plays in the NFL. —Bagumba (talk) 08:31, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep - Passes ATH 4.1 C.1 ---Freja Beha Erichsen (talk) 07:37, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * No, he has never played in an NFL regular season game yet. Preseason doesn't count towards WP:ATH.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  17:35, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * No, ATH 4.1 C.1 just states American football/Canadian football figures are presumed notable if they have appeared in at least one game in any one of the following professional leagues: the Arena Football League, the Canadian Football League, the National Football League, the All-America Football Conference or the United States Football League, or any other top-level professional league. Plain and simple. No interpretation is needed. ---Freja Beha Erichsen (talk) 20:45, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow, you have interpreted that very badly. Exhibition games do not count. Period.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  21:49, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Consensus on ATH closed that loophole on August 22 to "Have appeared in at least one regular season or post season game in any one of the following professional leagues: the Arena Football League, the Canadian Football League, the National Football League, the All-America Football Conference or the United States Football League, or any other top-level professional league."—Bagumba (talk) 19:15, 26 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:31, 20 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Relisting comment. It's not likely that he passes WP:ATH but what about the general notability guidelines? --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:33, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * All I can find on him is two stories on his volunteer work and one story on a pre-draft workout with the Bears.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  03:02, 20 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - Practice squad player who has not seen action in a single NFL game. Carrite (talk) 12:55, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete- does not meet notability.--AssegaiAli (talk) 12:43, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. There seems to be enough coverage to satisfy WP:GNG.  I fear many of the "delete" votes above may not have been aware of the breadth of coverage he received. Hope I'm not too late.  For examples of significant, non-trivial coverage of Rivera in the mainstream media, see, e.g.,, , , , , , , , , , . Cbl62 (talk) 21:40, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Doesnt sway me here. I like an athlete who fails NSPORTS but is a candidate to qualify on GNG to have done something notable that is worth reading decades from now, so the lead paragraph must have the potential to be catchy. If I look at his college accomplishments, he didnt exactly dominate his own conference, but did manage three years of honorable mentions.  While certainly better than most college players, he is WP:Run-of-the-mill considering the number of football players each year who enjoy some success in college but neither get drafted nor ever play professionally.  If he is notable to the school (though I don't believe so), he could be mentioned in the school football article. —Bagumba (talk) 22:21, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * WP:GNG does not require us to peer through the mists of time and verify that a person's story will be "worth reading decades from now." Nor does it require that an article have a "catchy" lead paragraph. All that is required is that the person have been the subject of significant, non-trivial coverage in the mainstream media.  Based on the sources referenced above, Rivera passes that test. Cbl62 (talk) 23:42, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Not entirely correct. GNG says "Editors may reach a consensus that although a topic meets this criterion, it is not appropriate for a stand-alone article." If that isnt convincing enough, WP:IAR says to ignore a rule if it is preventing improvement of Wikipedia. Its my opinion that ignoring that the cumulative sources say this is a run-of-the-mill football player is diluting the overall quality of Wikipedia.  Sure there is no deadline, but keeping these type of articles year after year will take away from improving the more notable players. The guy came out of college in 2009 undrafted, and only has an article created on him in 2011—probably just to fill a redlink on a training camp roster.—Bagumba (talk) 00:29, 24 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - After looking through the references provided by Cbl62, I still feel that Rivera fails WP:GNG, as well as WP:ATH and WP:NSPORT.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  19:24, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
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